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    Default Russian jet 'crashes' after Moscow take-off

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43024235
    Russian jet 'crashes' after Moscow take-off


    A Russian airliner carrying 71 passengers and crew has crashed after vanishing from radar screens as it left a Moscow airport for the Urals, media say.

    The Saratov Airlines An-148 regional jet was en route to the city of Orsk when it went missing.

    An emergency services source has told Interfax news agency the plane crashed and there was "no chance" of survivors.

    It reportedly fell near Argunovo, about 80km (50 miles) south-east of Moscow.

    According to another news agency, the jet vanished from radar screens two minutes after it left Domodedovo Airport.
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    moerse pity it was not the Gupta jet.

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    Some reports are saying it collided with a postal service helicopter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by air View Post
    moerse pity it was not the Gupta jet.
    you mean ours? It was ZA money that paid for it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Assimilator View Post
    Some reports are saying it collided with a postal service helicopter.
    Hard to find links, but several rumours to this effect. Can't recall this as being a frequent occurrence:
    http://avherald.com/h?article=4b4cb236

    Edit: Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarato...nes_Flight_703
    Last edited by Gordon_R; 11-02-2018 at 04:30 PM. Reason: Add link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by air View Post
    moerse pity it was not the Gupta jet.
    Not everyone on that jet is a bad person that deserved to die...just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Assimilator View Post
    Some reports are saying it collided with a postal service helicopter.
    What a ****ty way to die

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    Quote Originally Posted by SauRoNZA View Post
    Not everyone on that jet is a bad person that deserved to die...just saying.
    right you are SauRoNZA - Gupta firing squad will suffice (after paying back all ill-gotten gains with a fair 'cost of finance')

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Assimilator View Post
    Some reports are saying it collided with a postal service helicopter.
    lol are you serious.
    Soooo, where do you see yourself in five years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by namzsteve View Post
    lol are you serious.
    Unconfirmed: http://avherald.com/h?article=4b4cb236
    Russian News Agencies Lenta and Interfax reports the remains of a second aircraft, a helicopter, were found near the crash site, the two aircraft collided in midair.
    Edit: Collisions do still occur (rarely) due to ATC failures. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_U...-air_collision

    Edit: Whatever the cause, the aircraft is a modern jet (not an old Soviet rust-bucket), and should not just fall out of the sky: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-148
    Last edited by Gordon_R; 11-02-2018 at 04:50 PM. Reason: Add link(s).

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    Tragic

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    Yeah whatever mate

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    Damn. I believe 2017 didnt have any passenger jet casualties.2018 just started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeftyCrab View Post
    Damn. I believe 2017 didnt have any passenger jet casualties.2018 just started.
    All thanks to Donald Trump
    Yeah whatever mate

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43048921

    Speed sensors that were iced over may have caused a passenger jet to crash near Moscow, killing all 71 people on board, investigators say.

    The faulty instruments could have given the pilots wrong speed data, Russia's Interstate Aviation Committee said.
    A preliminary analysis of the information in the flight recorder indicated that a "special situation" began to develop two and a half minutes after the plane took off, at an altitude of around 1,300m (4,265ft), the committee said, according to Tass news agency.

    The speed indicated was 465-470km/h (289-292mph). At that moment, it added, there were divergences between the readings of the speed sensors.
    P.S. The helicopter collision theory was false.

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    470km/h translates to over 200kt. Very few planes could fall out of the sky at that speed. I suspect that icing definitely played a part, either by physically affecting the aerodynamics of the wing, or blocking pitot tubes. The latter would mean incorrect airspeed and altitude data.

    My guess is that passing 5000ft on the climb, the pilots engaged the autopilot which was immediately confused by the incorrect info caused by the icing. The computer probably did something stupid and left the crew inadequate time to react.

    Let's see what the investigation finds.
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