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Thread: Zuma's presidency was a total disaster – Trevor Manuel

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    Quote Originally Posted by konfab View Post
    It is called a nation state:


    Separate nation states for black and white people, with distribution of resources (such as mines/ farmland) distributed according to population size of each state. Allow for a 20 year cross over time where people living in each state have full dual citizenship of each state so that you avoid what happened with India and Pakistan.

    Of course that would require impossible things like: rich white people weaning themselves off cheap black labour and black people not having the taxes of white people to sponge off.
    Yeah whatever mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornelius.van.Breda View Post
    They should have pissed off back to Bop if they did not like black people... OH no wait they couldn't
    Why Bop?
    Yeah whatever mate

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    This whole assinine thread boils down to... "Two wrongs don't make a right."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Hoxbig View Post
    But Apartheid wasn't a crime against humanity so you have nothing to worry about if the inverse happens...
    I have LOTS to worry about if Julius becomes South-Africa's President or CIC.
    #ISRAELISFREE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devviem View Post
    I have LOTS to worry about if Julius becomes South-Africa's President or CIC.
    We all do. Black, white and everything in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForceFate View Post
    Care to explain?

    Please tell me which points you disagree with
    1) Most White people on average are significantly richer than black people.
    2) Most Black people on average are significantly poorer than white people.
    3) The county has progressive taxation that targets rich people. Such that the rich pay a larger amount than the poor.
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    https://businesstech.co.za/news/fina...h-africas-tax/
    4) The country has a social grant system and a welfare state that targets poor people.

    If you don't disagree with the previous 5 points, then you have to conclude :
    The people paying taxes are mainly white because they target the rich (1,3).
    The people on the receiving end of the welfare system are mainly black because the system is targeted towards poor people (2,4).

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    So nice to finally find something that Trevor Manuel is right about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devviem View Post
    Julius is the one person who hates white people enough and what apartheid did to black people to take seriously when he says something like that.

    Maybe it is just me.
    Basically when it suits you? Got it. Julius is a racist moron who would say anything to get at people, even his own when it suits him.

    Quote Originally Posted by evilstebunny View Post
    If you have the shortest of short term outlooks maybe, but what about the next generation and the next? Look at Zimbabwe for guidance to see what I mean..
    Well, working better for more doesn't mean it's perfect, far from. Just giving you some perspective.

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    It became apparent after the rape scandal that Zuma was going to cause problems. That was when they should have nipped this in the bud and gotten rid of him.

    Zuma was like an abusive husband; with every punch you make excuses and say it will be better next time, it won't happen again.
    You've never seen a sense a sense of entitlement until you catch an adult Vervet monkey in your kitchen and try to chase him out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    So nice to finally find something that Trevor Manuel is right about.
    Sadly only after the Big Thief left.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solarion View Post
    It became apparent after the rape scandal that Zuma was going to cause problems. That was when they should have nipped this in the bud and gotten rid of him.

    Zuma was like an abusive husband; with every punch you make excuses and say it will be better next time, it won't happen again.
    Sad thing is they finally got rid of him not due to his stealing, but because he was harming their chances of re-election..

    Nothing must come between them and their looting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thestaggy View Post
    Don't care for anything an ANC member says about the Zuma presidency. They were complicit. They enabled and defended him and dare I say some even profited from his criminal reign.

    They can all take a hike.
    This ^. Everyone seems to think that people like Pravin Gordhan and whomever are such upstanding human beings and what not, forgetting they defended that muppet, was it 8 times in votes of no confidence? All the while the country burned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thestaggy View Post
    Don't care for anything an ANC member says about the Zuma presidency. They were complicit. They enabled and defended him and dare I say some even profited from his criminal reign.

    They can all take a hike.
    By ANC members, are you referring to those who voted for ANC or all members on ANC's books?
    Yeah whatever mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambroseg1 View Post
    This ^. Everyone seems to think that people like Pravin Gordhan and whomever are such upstanding human beings and what not, forgetting they defended that muppet, was it 8 times in votes of no confidence? All the while the country burned.
    697th time.

    What good would have been a fired CR, PG and full power Zuma in the Cabinet apart from a scorched earth policy and waiting for the country to burn?

    This is what would have happened if they voted against the party line, next move is to be booted out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by f2wohf View Post
    697th time.

    What good would have been a fired CR, PG and full power Zuma in the Cabinet apart from a scorched earth policy and waiting for the country to burn?

    This is what would have happened if they voted against the party line, next move is to be booted out...
    The peanut gallery is too naive to realise that the only way to effect change in this country is from within the ANC as a loyal cadre. Not even Zuma was willing to risk outright dismissal from the party which is why he resigned grumbling all the way about injustices. He knows there's hope for him in the party. For the foreseeable future at least.
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