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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44401643

    Greece has reached a deal on the name of its northern neighbour, which called itself Macedonia at the break-up of the former Yugoslavia.

    After 27 years of talks - and many protests - they have settled on the name Republic of North Macedonia, or Severna Makedonija in Macedonian.

    Greece had objected to the name Macedonia, fearing territorial claims on its eponymous northern region.

    It had vetoed the neighbour's bid to join Nato and the European Union.

    The new name will now need to be approved by the Macedonian people and Greek parliament.

    What's the solution?

    Under the deal, the country known at the United Nations as Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (Fyrom) will be named Severna Makedonija, or Republic of North Macedonia.

    Its language will be Macedonian and its people known as Macedonians (citizens of the Republic of North Macedonia).

    Significantly, they agreed that the new name would be used both internationally and bilaterally, so that even the 140 or more countries that recognise the name Macedonia will also have to adopt North Macedonia.

    They also agreed that the English name could be used as well as the Slavic term.

    The two sides had earlier dropped a number of alternatives, including Gorna Makedonija (Upper Macedonia), Nova Makedonija (New Macedonia) and Ilinden Macedonia.
    Why the problem?

    The name Macedonia already belongs to a northern region of Greece that includes the country's second city Thessaloniki. By adopting the same identity in 1991, the new Slavic nation infuriated many Greeks, who suspected their northern neighbour of territorial ambitions.

    The new Macedonians did not help matters when they named the main airport in the capital, Skopje, after Ancient Greek hero Alexander the Great, as well as a key motorway running from the Serbian to the Greek border.

    During the 4th Century BC, the Macedonia of Alexander and his father Philip II before him ruled all of Greece and much beyond it.
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    "Why are they wasting money on a name change while so many are unemployed?"

    Yeah whatever mate

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    No consideration for Joe Macedonia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForceFate View Post
    "Why are they wasting money on a name change while so many are unemployed?"

    An international dispute involving perceived international territorial threats. Not remotely similar to the largely corrupt, localised, repetitive, and often inane name changes destroying the fiscus in SA.

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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8397376.html

    Macedonian President Gjorge Ivanov has said he will not sign a deal reached with Greece on changing his country's name.

    President Ivanov said the agreement, which would rename Macedonia as the 'Republic of Severna (Northern) Macedonia', gave too many concessions to Greece.

    “My position is final and I will not yield to any pressure, blackmail or threats. I will not support or sign such a damaging agreement,” Mr Ivanov told a news conference.

    The president has the backing of the nationalist opposition VMRO-DPMNE, and said that Macedonia's possible future membership of the EU and Nato was not enough of a reason to sign the “bad agreement”.

    “We will oppose this deal of capitulation with all democratic and legal means,” VMRO-DPMNE head Hristijan Mickoski told a news conference, branding the agreement “an absolute defeat for Macedonian diplomacy”.

    The deal reached by the two countries' prime minister is expected to be signed by their foreign ministers this weekend. After that, Macedonia's parliament would vote on it, and if it is approved, Mr Ivanov's signature would be needed.
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    Never understood why Slavs are even ''claiming'' Greek heroes, identity and names anyway. They're closer to Serbs and Bulgarians than they are to Greeks..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milano View Post
    An international dispute involving perceived international territorial threats. Not remotely similar to the largely corrupt, localised, repetitive, and often inane name changes destroying the fiscus in SA.
    It doesn't change anything. It will still be called Macedonia. Are Macedonians in support of the name change?
    Yeah whatever mate

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