quovadis
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Total disaster - Baldwin can only wish his prosecutor is that terrible.
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Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
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Not really. That he's a hero to the extreme right is a bit sad though. Sure - it was declared self defence - agree with that, but if he'd not been such a militant, captured right winger, he'd not have been there in the 1st place.
Anyway - it's not over for him yet.
Just throwing some fuel on the flames here:
faroutmagazine.co.uk
- Real gun
- Aimed directly at head
- Real live round
- Trigger pulled
It does however state that:
Still, pretty much all rules of gun safety broken on set. It happens people, gun rules are broken on set - but it's the responsibility of the armorer to ensure that this happens safely.
Doesn't mean actors can't be negligent, actors can be negligent if they do things without the required oversight from the armorer - but the point stands, gun rules are broken all the time on movie sets.
If you want to advocate that they never get broken on set, then that's a different discussion and one which would save lives absolutely. But the reality is that they are broken on set, and someone is appointed specifically to oversee that - an armorer.
Robert De Niro insisted that a live round was used during ‘The Deer Hunter’ Russian roulette scene
“I liked the story and the dialogue. I just thought it was a terrific script".
faroutmagazine.co.uk
- Real gun
- Aimed directly at head
- Real live round
- Trigger pulled
It does however state that:
Still, pretty much all rules of gun safety broken on set. It happens people, gun rules are broken on set - but it's the responsibility of the armorer to ensure that this happens safely.
Doesn't mean actors can't be negligent, actors can be negligent if they do things without the required oversight from the armorer - but the point stands, gun rules are broken all the time on movie sets.
If you want to advocate that they never get broken on set, then that's a different discussion and one which would save lives absolutely. But the reality is that they are broken on set, and someone is appointed specifically to oversee that - an armorer.
quovadis
Honorary Master
That is not true. He's charged in the alternative for involuntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter in the commission of a lawful act. The jury decides, if guilty, either one or the lesser other.
Really? Not suggesting this is some kind of plot but if you think politics has nothing to do with the decision to prosecute people in the US then I have a bridge to sell you.
And BTW Andrea Reeb's wiki profile says that she is a Republican
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Reeb
As to the politics of her job, the key is right here...
Prosecutors are elected in the states, a lot of what they choose to do and say has political implications.
konfab
Honorary Master
The charges clearly delineate his roles as each one.
konfab
Honorary Master
Really? Not suggesting this is some kind of plot but if you think politics has nothing to do with the decision to prosecute people in the US then I have a bridge to sell you.
And BTW Andrea Reeb's wiki profile says that she is a Republican
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Reeb
As to the politics of her job, the key is right here...
Prosecutors are elected in the states, a lot of what they choose to do and say has political implications.
The prosecutor was appointed by a Democrat DA:
I mean you can just tell the DA is a big time Trump supporter:
She is absolutely going to give a nice leaniant plea deal to Baldwin.
If that is the case, why was the armourer also charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter, she only held one position? Am fairly certain the charges relate two possible different kinds of manslaughter, not Alec Baldwin's roles on the film.
Thanks, didn't know that, but she (Reeb) certainly isn't a lifelong democrat.
konfab
Honorary Master
They do, but their culpability does depend on the roles they played.
I am just quoting the prosecutor on this, they wouldn't set out the charge sheet like that if they were planning on presenting something similar to the jury to simplify it.
It just seems weird that if they thought the producers should be charged for failing in their duties, why were none of the other producers charged?
quovadis
Honorary Master
No they do not. One is involuntary manslaughter as a result of an unlawful act the the alternative is as a result of a lawful act. Unlawful means it was done without lawful justification or excuse.
konfab
Honorary Master
Yeah I see that.
Really? Not suggesting this is some kind of plot but if you think politics has nothing to do with the decision to prosecute people in the US then I have a bridge to sell you.
And BTW Andrea Reeb's wiki profile says that she is a Republican
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Reeb
As to the politics of her job, the key is right here...
Prosecutors are elected in the states, a lot of what they choose to do and say has political implications.
Who appointed Andrea Reeb as special prosecutor for this specific case in a different district, who's been handling the press releases? This is not her district and she wasn't elected for it as prosecutor.
Mary Carmack-Altwies, DA for the first district NM court. This is her turf.
She must be a plant.
Based on the moral fiber displayed here from Konfab, I wouldn't be surprised.
quovadis
Honorary Master
Unlawful in New Mexico statutes is defined as without due caution and circumspection.
Edit: * As far as the involuntary manslaughter is concerned.
They will use multiple charges of different degrees, if you don't get them on the higher one you might get a conviction on a lesser count. Standard procedure.
No she isn't and I wasn't referring to her, I was referring to the DA that appointed her as special prosecutor for this case. The DA is the one they called out for being a republican, the DA is the one that initiated all this and brought the charges and front and center in the media.
