Emissions exclusion at Kusile could bring units back online a year earlier — Eskom

Tomtomtom said:
What is loadshedding if not one giant corner cut?

It's really pretty amusing that people are sitting around in the darkness wagging their fingers making the perfect the enemy of the good.

I'm sure the ANC will be along shortly to make some really binding promises that it'll only take a year, and then it'll all be good, I guess.
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I am no defender of perfection. We are stuck with coal. We are not stuck with sulfur dioxide pollution. Which was what this plant was designed to counter.
 
ToxicBunny said:
So part of me goes "Screw the environment since the lack of power is doing considerably more damage to the environment in this country" but I very much don't think we should grant this exemption because it then means those emission reduction systems will never ever be put into service again.
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Oh they will still try to fix it, but the money spent will go into cadet pockets, forever!!
 
JacquesSteffen said:
Finland is spouting BS - it's referred to as "sales talk". Everytime those Western propagandists gather at COP, they refer to China as the biggest polluter.
Look what happend to their "Green agenda" when they committed energy suicide by sanctioning Russia - back to starting up their coal-fired and nuclear power stations.
We are a sovereign country and should stop allowing the collective West control us.
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But the cANCer can't, they already spent al that cash that was suppose to cleanup the air, on BMWs and KFC
 
StBlade said:
Oh they will still try to fix it, but the money spent will go into cadet pockets, forever!!
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If it's ANC it will be a bit like that EC stadium except the magnitude of the looting will be greater.
 
AlphaJohn said:
We not talking about volume, but clarity/quality.

EU, US and China for that part dont just pump loads of sulfur dioxide into the air. <-- there in lies the diff.

I mean back in 2019 Germany almost did double our numbers using coal alone, never mind the other sources

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In SA we can only dream of the 57GW's they get from wind alone.
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Germany is not greatest example, their reliance on fossil fuel hasn't change much over a period of 12 years. Just slight slide 2010-2011 thereafter they increased their capacity via "clean energy", that 2010-11 slide will probably be reversed for 2021-22. Yes many section30's are being incurred at Eskom and waving the regulation is a recipe for another SoD in SA. I highly doubt the coal is going anywhere in SA, but there's a great need to reduce emissions by retrofitting newer technology, hopefully the SoD can improve this and not overide regulations.
 
Neptuner said:
Germany is not greatest example, their reliance on fossil fuel hasn't change much over a period of 12 years. Just slight slide 2010-2011 thereafter they increased their capacity via "clean energy", that 2010-11 slide will probably be reversed for 2021-22. Yes many section30's are being incurred at Eskom and waving the regulation is a recipe for another SoD in SA. I highly doubt the coal is going anywhere in SA, but there's a great need to reduce emissions by retrofitting newer technology, hopefully the SoD can improve this and not overide regulations.
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My point still is, Germany alone use more coal than Eskom, and the whole of Europe together produce less pollution than SA. ie: its not a quantity problem but quality.
 
Neptuner said:
Your point was made and understood, EU together produces less pollution than SA? provide the source please.
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Emissions exclusion at Kusile could bring units back online a year earlier — Eskom

No doubt. The fact this is not basically taken for granted is pretty disturbing. Choosing to remain in an energy crisis because of worries about air pollution is... not good. The way I see it is, the ANC is using SOD to bypass this and whatever else they want, taking shortcuts for a mess they...
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Edit: Also just for you https://energyandcleanair.org/wp/wp...w-the-worlds-most-polluting-power-company.pdf
 
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AlphaJohn said:
A couple of posts prior:

Emissions exclusion at Kusile could bring units back online a year earlier — Eskom

No doubt. The fact this is not basically taken for granted is pretty disturbing. Choosing to remain in an energy crisis because of worries about air pollution is... not good. The way I see it is, the ANC is using SOD to bypass this and whatever else they want, taking shortcuts for a mess they...
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You aware that SO2 is only one of many air pollutants?
 
porchrat said:
My understanding is that they want to bypass the purification system temporarily for 1 year while they rebuild that mess they caused.

Depends on the health impacts for that year I suppose.

Also, assuming the health impacts are minimal if it's just for that 1 year, the deal needs to stipulate it only happens for 1 year and after that, if the new flue and chimney structure is not yet constructed (which will probably be the case due to corruption and ineptitude) simply switch off those units. This temporary bypass cannot be allowed to become the norm for this power station as Eskom fails to do something as simple as build a fscking chimney.
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By then it will be the DA's problem so fokkal will be done in that year.
 
konfab said:
I am no defender of perfection. We are stuck with coal. We are not stuck with sulfur dioxide pollution. Which was what this plant was designed to counter.
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ToxicBunny said:
I very much doubt we'll ever see eye to eye on this.

I fully agree we need to end Loadshedding as fast as possible, but it must not be done in a way that requires "exemptions" to very appropriate regulations/legislation.
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Appropriate for whom?

It's certainly sad when modern technology that is supposed to improve our lives is imported here but then rapidly falls apart because the human capital required to operate and maintain it is not imported along with it.

But maybe it's also a sign that we have lower-hanging fruit to pick.

Either way there's no point cutting off our noses.

We don't have diesel that meets European standards but that doesn't mean we should ban trucks from the roads until we do.
 
A tough situation but understandable. What’s the bigger cost to society and the economy? Pollution or the absence of power sometime?

I would say the polluting power stations are not as bad as malls and businesses and practically everyone else just running generators in populated urban areas. Less pollution in urban areas means fewer respiratory issues in towns, meaning fewer sick people, means more productive workforce. Remember things are getting more expensive because we all need to pay for all the businesses needing to run generators to make their own power. They are just passing on the costs. Pick and pay needs to run their fridges and freezers in their warehouse 24/7 regardless of sunshine or wind. Their generators will run. We end up paying for the bill.

However we can’t just pollute for fun. We need to simultaneously install solar and wind power
 
AlphaJohn said:
We not talking about volume, but clarity/quality.

EU, US and China for that part dont just pump loads of sulfur dioxide into the air. <-- there in lies the diff.

I mean back in 2019 Germany almost did double our numbers using coal alone, never mind the other sources

fig1-installed-net-power-generation-capacity-germany-2002-2022.png


In SA we can only dream of the 57GW's they get from wind alone.
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This is a very cute graph but it doesn’t actually mean anything. Greenwashing at its finest. It’s ‘installed’ capacity. It’s over provisioned for the bad days, i.e. way more theoretical capacity/potential is installed than what those plants can output in the real world.

When there is no wind or it’s winter and there is practically no sun those two beautifully large sections become zero output immediately for weeks on end and Germany ramps up their lignite plants to make up for the power demand.

Check out the live data here. Click on Germany and see.

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