'Pumping sewage into the sea is normal': Cape Town has no other choice, says government

CPT is a sh1thole, people have delusions of grandeur.

Like anywhere in the world. I stayed in Oxforsdshire. Some places are nice, other places to don't walk around during the day without being armed. Teenage chavs will rob you or worse. Same with London. South of London, dodgy af. Don't go there at night.
 
Like anywhere in the world. I stayed in Oxforsdshire. Some places are nice, other places to don't walk around during the day without being armed. Teenage chavs will rob you or worse. Same with London. South of London, dodgy af. Don't go there at night.
By the way, CoCT has issued a crime warning for the beach you said had no crime.
 
By the way, CoCT has issued a crime warning for the beach you said had no crime.
Shame show us on the Doll where Cape Town touched you.

Lived half my life in JHB and now in CPT, JHB is a crime shithole. Was hijacked 3 times in JHB and 2 house robberies and a mugging with a machette.

No issues in CPT as of yet after 20 years.
 
Shame show us on the Doll where Cape Town touched you.

Lived half my life in JHB and now in CPT, JHB is a crime shithole. Was hijacked 3 times in JHB and 2 house robberies and a mugging with a machette.

No issues in CPT as of yet after 20 years.
I never said CPT is a bigger sh1thole than JHB. I hope your crime free spree stays. CPT is just lagging but is still going the same way as all SA cities.
 
Can confirm it is worldwide. Some cities in the world are really bad. Especially if you see the constant sewage coming out of the pipes. Darker sewage trails in the already dark water. Always thought that there should be an easier way but I guess it is cost issue as downhill leads to the sea. Remarkable the oceans can handle it without killing all fish.
A certain amount of treatment is cost effective. Anything beyond that the cost goes up dramatically. Either way the result will get pumped out into water, usually the ocean if possible. That's why its done this way worldwide.

I see Timeslive quotes a UCT academic who indicates CT may be heading for another water crisis (and that water is too cheap). They may need to hang onto that sewage and clean it up for re-use.
The overall levels are a bit low, but actual usage is at or slightly less than the projected and planned amounts. Last year had very low rainfall which is the only reason the overall level has people concerned. But realistically Cape Town needs more water supply. The population isn't getting any smaller.
 
The overall levels are a bit low, but actual usage is at or slightly less than the projected and planned amounts. Last year had very low rainfall which is the only reason the overall level has people concerned. But realistically Cape Town needs more water supply. The population isn't getting any smaller.
CPT will is going down just like PE, just at much larger scale. Day 0 will be a thing again within this year.
 
The problem for CPT is that it needs desalination plants but can`t have any because of the **** in the water.
 
Hout Bay:

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Cape Town:

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Interesting to wonder how the plume got a few kilometres offshore? Hout Bay may have a undersea pipeline but the stadium area/Sea Point?

CoCT / DWS should be transparent and clear (pardon the pun). Does the effluent meet with the licence conditions or not?
 
CPT will is going down just like PE, just at much larger scale. Day 0 will be a thing again within this year.

Maybe 2 or 3 years time.

I went to PE the other day. That is place is terrible. CPT has a long way to fall to get to PE's standards.
 
Interesting to wonder how the plume got a few kilometres offshore? Hout Bay may have a undersea pipeline but the stadium area/Sea Point?

CoCT / DWS should be transparent and clear (pardon the pun). Does the effluent meet with the licence conditions or not?

The City of Cape Town has been granted a five-year permit issued by the Department of Forestry, Fisheries and Environmental Affairs that allows the pumping of treated sewage into the ocean. There’s a pending appeal for the department’s issuing of coastal water discharge permits (CWDPs) for Hout Bay, Camps Bay and Green Point, reported TimesLIVE. The city discharges "preliminary" treated sewage through pipes situated out at sea in these areas ...

 
Its a common practise in, to quote Trump, ****-holes.
The US has a massive problem with sewage overflows into the sea in many areas, it’s common for beaches to be closed due to dangerous levels of sewage contamination in the ocean.
 
A certain amount of treatment is cost effective. Anything beyond that the cost goes up dramatically. Either way the result will get pumped out into water, usually the ocean if possible. That's why its done this way worldwide.
I don't think sewers are treated at all. Fish eats human crap so can be used as food in fish farms. Also crap is valuable as it can be used in fertilizer.
If sewers just contained human piss and poo then you would be able to recycle it for so many purposes. Problem is the chemicals from factories and garbage that somehow gets into sewage
 
I don't think sewers are treated at all. Fish eats human crap so can be used as food in fish farms. Also crap is valuable as it can be used in fertilizer.
If sewers just contained human piss and poo then you would be able to recycle it for so many purposes. Problem is the chemicals from factories and garbage that somehow gets into sewage
Last sentence very true. Quite a lot of backyard businesses (and businesses generally) discharge illegal substances in sewers. Been quite a problem for the Durban sewage to potable water plant.
 
I don't think sewers are treated at all. Fish eats human crap so can be used as food in fish farms. Also crap is valuable as it can be used in fertilizer.
If sewers just contained human piss and poo then you would be able to recycle it for so many purposes. Problem is the chemicals from factories and garbage that somehow gets into sewage
Human shyt is also deadly toxic until the toxins are removed.
 
Let's unpack the propaganda spin in this article.

Sewage water discharge into the ocean around Cape Town poses no immediate threat to the environment and is common practice worldwide, says the department of forestry, fisheries and the environment.

Many eminent marine scientists from local universities have expressed their misgivings about the impact of 37 million litres of sewage water being pumped into the shallow seabed in the Metro, yet not one was interviewed for this one-sided article protecting the status quo.

Just because other cities around the world still pump sewage into the sea does not make it right. In fact, many cities are shutting down these pipelines, recognising they pose a danger to our oceans and ocean food supply.


This was in response to criticism — and a pending appeal — against the department's issuing of coastal water discharge permits (CWDPs) for Hout Bay, Camps Bay and Green Point, where the city discharges “preliminary” treated sewerage via outfall pipes situated out to sea.

The court case seeking a reversal of the licence in question came about after no environmental impact assessment was commissioned for the extension of the five-year permit. New science underlines that such practices are harmful to the marine environment.

"Preliminarily treated sewage" is basically, in layman's terms, poo, urine, synthetic chemicals (solvents, household detergents and even pharmaceuticals). toilet paper used condoms, sanitary pads and tampons, put through a macerator (think kitchen liquidiser) and sieved through a 3mm mesh and pumped straight into the sea. There is no secondary treatment. It's basically a raw smoothie of toilet waste.


The coastal discharge is an ongoing source of concern for many city stakeholders, among them water scientists and water sports enthusiasts who claim plumes of contaminated water pose a health risk.
ActionSA confirmed last week the party had met attorneys and would appeal against the granting of the permits, which are valid for a further five years.

Over the weekend an ActionSA member took her kayak out to the Green Point outflow and took pictures of the sewage sludge on the surface of the ocean in windless and calm conditions.

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The next day, in windy and choppy conditions non expert City officials tried to debunk this by sending out a rubber duck and proclaiming all was well and challenged her evidence, even blaming it on red tide.


However, the city and department insist marine impact assessments conducted by the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) show no “major risks” to human health.
“The findings of the above-mentioned study indicated there is no immediate ecological disaster or major risks to human health forthcoming as a result of the effluent discharged through the Cape Town outfalls,” said the department.

The assessment may not have drawn a direct conclusion that the sewage poses harm to humans, but it said nothing about marine animal health. However, there have been countless reports of divers, bathers and surfers in Green Point and surrounds suffering from water born infections over the years.

“The department also considered alternative options during the decision-making process. However, no other feasible options are available. The city cannot cease the operations of the waste water treatment works as the municipality has a constitutional responsibility to deliver water and sanitation services to its citizens.

The government also has a constitutional obligation to provide for a safe and clean environment, so this excuse is threadbare. Technologies have existed for decades which could mitigate this pollution, yet have not been explored. State-owned land and funding are available to implement changes but it appears there is no political will to fix this.

“In granting the permits, the department made it conditional that the city must investigate ways to improve the quality of the effluent.

So far the City has no concrete plans on the table to change anything.

“It is important to note that the effluent discharged is not raw sewage but preliminary treated sewage.”
This is, however, disputed by independent filmmaker Mark Jackson, who produced a short documentary on the city’s coastal discharge.

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“Fact is, you can't clean sewage water by running it through a sieve. That does nothing. It's either primary-treated in a settling tank [for starters] or it's raw sewage effluent. I believe the city knows that,” said Jackson. “The sooner the public knows the reality, the sooner we can start figuring out how to fix it.”

The city faces increasing scrutiny of its waste water treatment policies in light of an upsurge of sewerage spills linked to load-shedding and illegal dumping of waste. Several beaches were temporarily closed during the festive season, drawing attention to the problem. The city has since announced a large budget increase to upgrade its waste water treatment facilities and limit outages due to load-shedding.

It is unfathomable why a water-scarce city like Cape Town, which had a Day Zero water crisis just a few years ago, does not explore wastewater recycling at such sites, so this water is processed and made potable and reticulated back onto the city's freshwater supply.

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This biased article spews more cr@ap than the sewer pipeline IMO.
 
So what is the actual solution for this? Dig up half the city to lay sewage pipes to pump the sewage from Camps Bay, Sea Point, Hout Bay etc. to a processing plant somewhere on the cape flats?
 
Typical socialist sweep it under the carpet mentality: "Lets build the poor free houses, hopefully they don`t see the raw shyt we pump into the ocean. Look at the all new crappy houses! We are awesome!". The shitty that works for you, fvck you!
 
Typical socialist sweep it under the carpet mentality: "Lets build the poor free houses, hopefully they don`t see the raw shyt we pump into the ocean. Look at the all new crappy houses! We are awesome!". The shitty that works for you, fvck you!

Don't give yourself a stroke, we will miss all the raw shyt you pump into the forum :ROFL:
 
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