Govt to oppose order allowing 22 Afghan nationals into SA

JuliusSeizure said:
TBF, I grew up with some religious Muslims and they are much more tolerable than Xians.

The worst of them don't like other religions and don't want to associate with you if you are not Muslim but they don't really feel a need to "save" or to try and convert you. They just keep to themselves. They dont go around saying other religions are "devil worshippers" as the worst of Xians do.
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Have you tried conversation with them about why do they accept violent nature & misogyny existing in Islam/Quran? And that there are Quranic verses sanctioning killing of jews and non-believers? And their best model was 54 when he consummated marriage with a 9 year old girl? He was a pedophile by any standards. If you did that, then you would have known how tolerant they really are.

p.s. If you don't challenge people on their beliefs, they appear amicable. That is how some keep up their appearances. You should know this. How many times have you called out racism here and that released the vitriol by many members here? Same principle.
 
surface said:
Have you tried conversation with them about why do they accept violent nature & misogyny existing in Islam/Quran? And that there are Quranic verses sanctioning killing of jews and non-believers? And their best model was 54 when he consummated marriage with a 9 year old girl? If you did that, then you would have known how tolerant they really are.
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They aren't exactly tolerant. Even today in SA where they are supposedly moderate, many will disown or not be friendly with their own family members for leaving the faith or marrying out of the faith,

My point was that they tend to not push their religion onto non-Muslims as much as Christians do to non-Christians.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
They aren't exactly tolerant. Even today in SA where they are supposedly moderate, many will disown or not be friendly with their own family members for leaving the faith or marrying out of the faith,

My point was that they tend to not push their religion onto non-Muslims as much as Christians do to non-Christians.
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I have updated the post.
 
surface said:
I have updated the post.
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Like Christianity, Islam is also hogwash so we agree on that. Yes, Mohammed was not a good guy and I don't think guys like Al Baghdadi misunderstood the faith either. Al Baghdadi had a PHD in Islamic studies so he knows more about the faith than moderate Muslims.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
Like Christianity, Islam is also hogwash so we agree on that. Yes, Mohammed was not a good guy and I don't think guys like Al Baghdadi misunderstood the faith either. Al Baghdadi had a PHD in Islamic studies so he knows more about the faith than moderate Muslims.
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Thats very tolerant of you, not shoving your atheistic views and opinions of their characters down anyone's throat.
 
Willie Trombone said:
Tell us about your experiences in Afghanistan. The only "preaching to me" I've had in recent years (at least 20 years) was from a Muslim taxi driver in NYC.

Most Muslims in Kabul are as afraid to talk Islam as they are to hear Christianity. Doesn't stop them praying in front of you. Not that that bothers me in the least. You seem very insecure.
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Why are you touched on your studio? Are you a religious Christian? It makes sense also why you never heard the crazy preachers.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
You are free to believe what you want to believe as I am free to call out bad ideas like believing men lived 900 years as said in the Bible or that Muhammed flew on a winged horse.
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Indeed you are. Enjoy your beliefs, revel in them, bask in their glory.

The irony wooshed past you, didn't it? Let me shove it down your throat then: You - as an atheist - lecturing on the religious being intolerant and lecturing you, where you then proceed to lecture and be intolerant in the very next post.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
TBF, I grew up with some religious Muslims and they are much more tolerable than Xians.

The worst of them don't like other religions and don't want to associate with you if you are not Muslim but they don't really feel a need to "save" or to try and convert you. They just keep to themselves. They dont go around saying other religions are "devil worshippers" as the worst of Xians do.
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The worst of them can kill you if you won't convert.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
In SA that won't happen and I think that would only happen in extremist places like some parts of Syria etc.
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So if Muslims (somewhere on earth) can kill you for not converting I wouldn't call them "much more tolerable than Christians."
 
George Soros' Open Society Foundation is funding every one of the left-wing open-borders NGOs in South Africa. He doesn't have to liive with the results of his anarchist ideology.
Many of these illegal migrants are represented by these NGOs in court. This is an abuse of our constitution. The 22 Afghans were probably guided by these NGOs every step of the way.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
In SA that won't happen and I think that would only happen in extremist places like some parts of Syria etc.
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This is nonsense. Muslims behave differently when they are a minority. As they convert and grow their numbers the goal changes. They seek to exterminate minorities; then want the piece of land declared a Islam state. The ultimate goal is the imposition of Sharia law.

Here is one example regarding the Turkish genocide of Armenia. The reason that this isn't widely known is the global left turns a blind eye to the Islamist atrocities.

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Though it is hard to confirm an exact figure, the Encyclopedia Britannica estimated there were around 1,750,000 Armenians in the Ottoman Empire prior to 1915.


Today, the population of Armenians in Turkey is thought to be around 70,000.

Taner Akcam, arguably the most prominent Turkish scholar of the genocide, has said correspondence unearthed from Ottoman archives makes clear the intent of the CUP and local officials to "annihilate" the Armenians.
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www.middleeasteye.net

The Armenian genocide explained

Controversy has continued to rage over the deaths of more than a million Armenians in what some have branded the 20th century's first genocide
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Stochos said:
This is nonsense. Muslims behave differently when they are a minority. As they convert and grow their numbers the goal changes. They seek to exterminate minorities; then want the piece of land declared a Islam state. The ultimate goal is the imposition of Sharia law.

Here is one example regarding the Turkish genocide of Armenia. The reason that this isn't widely known is the global left turns a blind eye to the Islamist atrocities.
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Granted, there are issues but many non-Muslim professionals seem to be living and working well in Muslim majority countries.
 
Home Affairs Minister provides more details. Fears of Taliban terror attacks if "asylum" is granted.
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Home Affairs unhappy with Afghan asylum seeker court ruling

The government is unhappy with the Pretoria High Court order directing Home Affairs to grant asylum to 22 Afghan nationals.
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"If I bring many people here with all this crime that is going around and the Taliban is really looking for these people.

"What am I going to say to the population? What am I going to say to South Africans that I allowed people here who don't know and now they're crossing cross-fires?

"Maybe there will even be suicide bombers and suicide bombs," the minister said.

"I can't take such a chance."
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Which legal firm is representing these 22 illegals? Name and shame. We must boycott them!
 
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JuliusSeizure said:
Granted, there are issues but many non-Muslim professionals seem to be living and working well in Muslim majority countries.
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Which ones? They are never granted full rights.
They are called infidels, kafirs etc.
 
I know tons of them. They don't dare to be unhappy when they are there. Once they leave the job and out of those countries, then only you may know their true opinions. It is like asking a Chinese person about their government. However, they are there for money and not for any kind of freedom (even in "liberal" dubai). They get what they deserve, which is money.
JuliusSeizure said:
Granted, there are issues but many non-Muslim professionals seem to be living and working well in Muslim majority countries.
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Grant said:
Imagine your neighbor coming over to kill you for working on the sabbath?
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While this is mentioned in bible, when was the last time you heard about such killing? Not a Christian myself but I am sure many Christians have moved away from such violent bible teachings.
 
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