Tax breaks for rooftop solar in South Africa come with a big catch

Speedster said:
You could add two Solis 4.6kW inverters for R13k a pop. Plus installation and sundries.
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So let's say 120k with panels, brackets, cabling and installation etc for a minimum spec system that won't help with anything other than daytime power. Is that much difference to R105k for someone who has no money and works all day out of the house?

They get a few bob back a month for pumping some kW into the grid, could be worth it over a number of years, but hey, they still sit with loadshedding at night.

I dunno lad, I just think they never went anywhere near far enough to address the actual problem.
 
Pegasus said:
People storing eskoms power in a battery is not helping to create electricity.

The incentive is for: to focus on the promotion of additional generation.
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Dude, perhaps rub the sleep from your eyes. I already said exclude batteries as part of the rebate, twice now, and you still harp on about batteries?
 
Speedster said:
You cannot. Nobody said you can. What treasury is saying is they want you to put as many panels as possible on your roof, instead of getting the biggest inverter you can.
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Then it’s you who doesn’t understand the problem. Putting as many panels on your roof will only help the select few who can afford such a system, my understanding of the problem is for as many households as possible in all LSM brackets to assist with grid reduction. Thus including an inverter as part of the rebate would help these people as well.
 
semaphore said:
Dude, perhaps rub the sleep from your eyes. I already said exclude batteries as part of the rebate, twice now, and you still harp on about batteries?
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And you are still harping on about inverters for some reason.
 
Pegasus said:
So you are still struggling with the very basics here?
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Lol, are you actually reading my posts? I've mentioned 100 times that my battery is equal to the same amount of increased generation (at most importantly for the grid peak times), and it saves me more money than selling my power to the city.

Fella, I wonder how many times you need to hear this before it actually sinks in? It's tiresome now.
 
semaphore said:
Then it’s you who doesn’t understand the problem. Putting as many panels on your roof will only help the select few who can afford such a system, my understanding of the problem is for as many households as possible in all LSM brackets to assist with grid reduction. Thus including an inverter as part of the rebate would help these people as well.
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Everyone installing solar needs to buy an inverter, that's a given. Treasury is saying they want to increase generation, so they're giving a rebate on panels. Why is that so hard to understand?
 
semaphore said:
Dude, perhaps rub the sleep from your eyes. I already said exclude batteries as part of the rebate, twice now, and you still harp on about batteries?
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No, having 5 x demand in the daytime is useless if we all sit in the dark at night. Batteries are as good as extra capacity when discharging overnight.
 
Speedster said:
Everyone installing solar needs to buy an inverter, that's a given. Treasury is saying they want to increase generation, so they're giving a rebate on panels. Why is that so hard to understand?
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It's very understandable. It's just a little on the silly side by not taking the whole picture into account. Perhaps they could have come up with something like 25% rebate on an install which includes 4kw worth of panels?
 
semaphore said:
Then it’s you who doesn’t understand the problem. Putting as many panels on your roof will only help the select few who can afford such a system, my understanding of the problem is for as many households as possible in all LSM brackets to assist with grid reduction. Thus including an inverter as part of the rebate would help these people as well.
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You understand that if many people are generating their own electricity with solar and also selling excess back to grid then helps everybody? Even those with no solar / inverters. It means you share eskom with less people.
 
Pegasus said:
And you are still harping on about inverters for some reason.
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It's about affordability and attracting new people and houses into the scheme. For once and for all, this "incentive" will not do this in anywhere near enough number so as to make a difference.
 
Spizz said:
No, having 5 x demand in the daytime is useless if we all sit in the dark at night. Batteries are as good as extra capacity when discharging overnight.
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Steenbras dam.

Excess power used to pump water back up.

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Spizz said:
It's about affordability and attracting new people and houses into the scheme. For once and for all, this "incentive" will not do this in anywhere near enough number so as to make a difference.
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I think is the point peggy et al is missing
 
Speedster said:
Everyone installing solar needs to buy an inverter, that's a given. Treasury is saying they want to increase generation, so they're giving a rebate on panels. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Everyone understands, but it will only apply to a select few LSM markets.

You said it yourself the problem is to increase generation, better rebates on equipment (inverter, not battery) needed would create better uptake. How hard is it to understand that ?
 
Spizz said:
It's about affordability and attracting new people and houses into the scheme. For once and for all, this "incentive" will not do this in anywhere near enough number so as to make a difference.
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You still don't think that people using solar instead of eskom doesn't help the strain on the grid?

And one more time. It is not the only incentive or plan out there.
 
Harmonic said:
It's very understandable. It's just a little on the silly side by not taking the whole picture into account. Perhaps they could have come up with something like 25% rebate on an install which includes 4kw worth of panels?
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I'm sure they could have come up with multiple options. I'm also sure they had a very limited budget to work with.

They could have gone with 10% of a full installation up to R150k, but that would've led to less extra panels than the option they've chosen.
 
Speedster said:
Everyone installing solar needs to buy an inverter, that's a given. Treasury is saying they want to increase generation, so they're giving a rebate on panels. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Because the panels on there own are useless. More money needs to be spent and that makes the 'attractive on the face of it' 25% incentive more like a maximum 10% incentive on outlay, or more like 4 or 5% for those who want a system that will actually make a difference in their life.

Do you think this is going to mobilise the masses and make a dent in the problem?
 
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