US Politics: Bike tricks

[buchanan8]

So ignore the messenger and focus on the content/claim itself - is it accurate or not?

Trump properties made a fortune during his tenure - it's the least he could do.

As for Ukraine - blame Russia, not Biden. Pretty sure donating resources is helluva lot cheaper than having the situation escalated and Nato having to be deployed...

Why would NATO have to be deployed? Ukraine is not in NATO.
Biden is escalating the situation and should stay out of that East Slavic civil war. But he is corrupt to the core. He and his fellow grifters are making a fortune off of all the money laundering going on via Ukraine.

 

[buchanan8]

Lincoln project and "accuracy" are antitheses of each other, always have been.


Yeah Biden had other priorities. He and his administration handled the crisis badly.

Fact of the matter is Trump showed up and spend his own money. Biden spent other people's money on non Americans.
Pretty bad optics for Biden no matter how they try and spin it.

The Lincoln Project are a joke. Bush/Cheney era grifters and sex offenders. No wonder progressives love them so much.

 

[quovadis]

Why would NATO have to be deployed? Ukraine is not in NATO.
Biden is escalating the situation and should stay out of that East Slavic civil war. But he is corrupt to the core. He and his fellow grifters are making a fortune off of all the money laundering going on via Ukraine.

Ukraine and Russia don't operate in a vacuum - if it spills over NATO has no choice. No matter how you look at it you either leave Russia to do this or you intervene - the intervention is what it is and supporting Ukraine is a heck of a better option than direct intervention.

Edit: I won't address your east slavic civil war nonsense.

 

[quovadis]

The Lincoln Project are a joke. Bush/Cheney era grifters and sex offenders. No wonder progressives love them so much.

So the claims are not valid because?

 

[Kieppie]

So ignore the messenger and focus on the content/claim itself - is it accurate or not?

Hardly, they are a TDS originated outlet and as such basically nothing they say have any real merit.
You'll find all their posts are severly lacking in any context, but believe what you will.

Trump properties made a fortune during his tenure - it's the least he could do.

Not really. And no the least he could do was do nothing, which is what Biden has done.

As for Ukraine - blame Russia, not Biden. Pretty sure donating resources is helluva lot cheaper than having the situation escalated and Nato having to be deployed...

No I blame Biden. His visit, as well as their funneling of money, is his choice not Russia. It's also definately not cheaper by any strech of the imagination.
By the way if you want to blame Trump for Ohio then Biden deserves the same if not more blame for Ukraine.

 

[AlmightyBender]

Why would NATO have to be deployed? Ukraine is not in NATO.
Biden is escalating the situation and should stay out of that East Slavic civil war. But he is corrupt to the core. He and his fellow grifters are making a fortune off of all the money laundering going on via Ukraine.

It's not a "civil war" clown. It is a war.

Ukraine is an independent and sovereign nation. You're letting your Russian Imperialism slip through.

The USA can ally with and provide aid in any form to any country in the world it chooses to. So can Ukraine. So can Russia. So can any country in the world.

 

[buchanan8]

It's not a "civil war" clown. It is a war.

Ukraine is an independent and sovereign nation. You're letting your Russian Imperialism slip through.

The USA can ally with and provide aid in any form to any country in the world it chooses to. So can Ukraine. So can Russia. So can any country in the world.

Civil war babe, that escalated because ultra nationalist west Ukrainians were discriminating and murdering Russian east Ukrainians following the illegal coup of 2014. You should know all this but disregard it as it doesn't suit your narrative.

 

[Kieppie]

So the claims are not valid because?

A case of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, which is why I always dismiss anything Project Lincoln claim, and you would do well to do the same.
Anyway loads of idiots out there claiming things they know nothing about. TDS makes morons out of everyone.

For one most trains in the world use air-breaks, not ECP, so this is by no means a strange decision. Especially given the cost/benefit of the studies involved.
Secondly the withdrawn legislation would have had zero impact on this accident.
Thirdly Biden and co never moved to reimplement it anyway so they did not seem too concerned with it.

Easy to find, but read this thread if you're so inclined.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1626379361027858432

So yeah the long of the short of it Trump has zero blame in this accident.
People peddling this nonsense should be ashamed of themselves, but then again TDS...

Biden should be ashamed for ignoring this disaster. It's going to be his Flint moment.

 

[quovadis]

Hardly, they are a TDS originated outlet and as such basically nothing they say have any real merit.
You'll find all their posts are severly lacking in any context, but believe what you will.

So there was no rule regarding train safety which was enacted for such scenarios by the Obama administration that was repealed by Trumps administration?

No I blame Biden. His visit, as well as their funneling of money, is his choice not Russia. It's also definately not cheaper by any strech of the imagination.
By the way if you want to blame Trump for Ohio then Biden deserves the same if not more blame for Ukraine

Under any other circumstances if he US was presented with an offer of $75bn to severely limit Russia's military capability I'm pretty sure that is a great deal considering its less than 10% of the direct military budget. Huge.
Also, it's Congress not Biden who's assisting Ukraine.

And I don't blame Trump for Ohio - it's an interesting situation though considering that safety is now suddenly a concern and talking point for him yet his administration axed safety rules across the board.

 

[quovadis]

A case of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, which is why I always dismiss anything Project Lincoln claim, and you would do well to do the same.
Anyway loads of idiots out there claiming things they know nothing about. TDS makes morons out of everyone.

For one most trains in the world use air-breaks, not ECP, so this is by no means a strange decision. Especially given the cost/benefit of the studies involved.
Secondly the withdrawn legislation would have had zero impact on this accident.
Thirdly Biden and co never moved to reimplement it anyway so they did not seem too concerned with it.

Easy to find, but read this thread if you're so inclined.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1626379361027858432

So yeah the long of the short of it Trump has zero blame in this accident.
People peddling this nonsense should be ashamed of themselves, but then again TDS...

Biden should be ashamed for ignoring this disaster. It's going to be his Flint moment.

Federal Register :: Request Access

www.federalregister.gov

As you can see the fact that the train was mixed-goods is irrelevant as far as its intention - for the most part the regulations are in terms of the tank cars themselves not and the train engines. Also its disingenuous to ignore the regulatory framework created by these rules in terms of ongoing safety checks and analysis.

 

[Kieppie]

Federal Register :: Request Access

www.federalregister.gov

As you can see the fact that the train was mixed-goods is irrelevant as far as its intention - for the most part the regulations are in terms of the tank cars themselves not and the train engines. Also its disingenuous to ignore the regulatory framework created by these rules in terms of ongoing safety checks and analysis.

No you can't mix and match braking systems on a train. It's either the whole train or none of it. Trains are modular so this would require ALL trains(freight in this case) to be equipped with ECP systems. It was part of the reason why it was deemed too costly.
So again whether or not this legislation was repealed would have zero impact on this accident, yet people try and shift the blame.

 

[quovadis]

No you can't mix and match braking systems on a train. It's either the whole train or none of it. Trains are modular so this would require ALL trains(freight in this case) to be equipped with ECP systems. It was part of the reason why it was deemed too costly.
So again whether or not this legislation was repealed would have zero impact on this accident, yet people try and shift the blame.

I'm not gonna debate brake systems as the regulations aren't limited to just that. If you want to purport that safety regulations are bad then say so. My position is simple - train regulations specifically safety related and those that include further evaluation and analysis are good.

Doing away with them for the sake of cost is why this is being debated not whether or not they applied in the specific scenario as part of a framework that was never updated because they were repealed 5 years ago.

 

[Kieppie]

Under any other circumstances if he US was presented with an offer of $75bn to severely limit Russia's military capability I'm pretty sure that is a great deal considering its less than 10% of the direct military budget. Huge.
Also, it's Congress not Biden who's assisting Ukraine.

Yes it's a "relatively cheap" proxy war they have going on over there. It's still more spending than the total of the Russian military budget.
It's also jointly the US's fault that this situation arose in the first place, much like many of the other global problems resulting from their ham-fisted foreign policies.

This war is great for the US's MIC and by extension many states involve in the supply lines of said companies. It's also great for propping up their currency.
At the end of the day money is what it boils down to, not some humanitarian aid.

However the US public have grown tired of this and would prefer the money spent internally.
Biden could make clear that his interest lies with the American people, he's pretty happy to go do photo ops in Ukraine. Unlike Trump I have yet to hear him call for the lessening of foreign interference.

 

[Kieppie]

I'm not gonna debate brake systems as the regulations aren't limited to just that. If you want to purport that safety regulations are bad then say so. My position is simple - train regulations specifically safety related and those that include further evaluation and analysis are good.

Doing away with them for the sake of cost is why this is being debated not whether or not they applied in the specific scenario as part of a framework that was never updated because they were repealed 5 years ago.

Not all regulations are worthwhile to keep around if they have limited applicability.
You can regulate the industry to such an extent that no train will be able to afford moving. That would result in zero accidents, but it is hardly worth it.

This specific one was scrapped because it was not worthwhile keeping around. There is no need to discuss this regulation after the train accident.
The only reason for it is to try and cast shade at Trump. Butticheeks knew this, but still made that statement.
I can guarantee you that is what a large portion of people believe, so the articles were successful in there purpose. Just like those deceptively edited videos showing "bent" train tracks

 

[quovadis]

Yes it's a "relatively cheap" proxy war they have going on over there. It's still more spending than the total of the Russian military budget.
It's also jointly the US's fault that this situation arose in the first place, much like many of the other global problems resulting from their ham-fisted foreign policies.

This war is great for the US's MIC and by extension many states involve in the supply lines of said companies. It's also great for propping up their currency.
At the end of the day money is what it boils down to, not some humanitarian aid.

However the US public have grown tired of this and would prefer the money spent internally.
Biden could make clear that his interest lies with the American people, he's pretty happy to go do photo ops in Ukraine. Unlike Trump I have yet to hear him call for the lessening of foreign interference.

By all metrics the US public has not grown tired but you're welcome to educate me if I'm wrong.

Either you believe Ukraine is sovereign or you don't. Those supporting Ukraine are not just the US but many of it's allies that the US is acting together in solidarity with.

 

[quovadis]

Not all regulations are worthwhile to keep around if they have limited applicability.
You can regulate the industry to such an extent that no train will be able to afford moving. That would result in zero accidents, but it is hardly worth it.

This specific one was scrapped because it was not worthwhile keeping around. There is no need to discuss this regulation after the train accident.
The only reason for it is to try and cast shade at Trump. Butticheeks knew this, but still made that statement.
I can guarantee you that is what a large portion of people believe, so the articles were successful in there purpose. Just like those deceptively edited videos showing "bent" train tracks

And yet the regulations were introduced as a starting point due to rather large number of derailments per year. The US averages around 4-5 train derailments per day. I don't see how arguing dangerous cargos should have better brakes is limited applicability.

 

[ponder]

So there was no rule regarding train safety which was enacted for such scenarios by the Obama administration that was repealed by Trumps administration?

You really shouldn't believe everything on Twitter and the media as gospel.

1. Even if the FAST act still called for ECP it would not have applied to the train in this incident as it did not qualify as hazardous under the FAST act.
2. ECP would probably not have helped even if it was present as it was not designed to extinguish fires which were present on one of the carriages. ECP is there to help a train stop faster. The cause of this accident was most likely a hot box but we'll have to wait for the investigation.

The U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) said the FAST Act, enacted by the Republican-controlled 114th United States Congress and signed by President Barack Obama, instead required them to repeal ECP brake mandates, after a regulatory impact analysis report stated, "the expected costs of ECP brakes are significantly higher than the expected benefit" in 2018.[14] The Trump administration finalized a roll back of the requirement for electronically controlled brakes in September 2018.[15] The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has recommended this technology for all trains.[16] As of 2023, the Biden administration had not reinstated this ruling,[13] and transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg made a tweet claiming that this technology may have prevented the derailment.[17]

PHMSA Rescinds ECP Brake Mandate After RIA Finds Costs Outweigh Benefits | PHMSA

The U.S.

www.phmsa.dot.gov

So trump rubber stamped in a regulatory impact analysis and phmsa recinding of ECP the same way Obama rubber stamped it before, unless you are saying the presidents are directly involved in these processes?

NTSB chair Jennifer Homendy explained that the train in this accident would not have been required to utilize the ECP braking system even if the FAST Act was not repealed, because the term high-hazard flammable train means a single train transporting 20 or more tank cars loaded with a Class 3 flammable liquid. As it had only three such placarded train cars, the derailed train did not meet the qualifications of a "high-hazard flammable" train.[17]

So now please tell us how FAST would have prevented this accident?


Reminds me of all the wailing and gnashing of teeth wrt the illegal immigrants being kept in inhumane cages by the border states and it's all trump's fault. But nobody will mention that those inhumane cages were built by the Obama administration and during the Biden administration those same inhumane cages are still in use but crickets from the media even though they've been hosting record numbers of people. Jimmy Carter was right when he said trump got badly treated by the media compared to a y other president and he doesn't have anything good to say about him.

 

[Kieppie]

By all metrics the US public has not grown tired but you're welcome to educate me if I'm wrong.

Either you believe Ukraine is sovereign or you don't. Those supporting Ukraine are not just the US but many of it's allies that the US is acting together in solidarity with.

With a 12% decrease, less Americans support aid for Ukraine: Poll - MR Online

Americans are growing weary of the US support for Ukraine, a new poll suggests.

mronline.org

A new poll showed that many Americans are growing impatient with the U.S. government‘s support of Ukraine. According to–recent poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, support among the American public for giving Ukraine weapons and direct economic assistance has waned as the war approaches its one-year mark.

48% support the United States giving arms to Ukraine, 29% oppose it, and 22% are neither in favor nor opposed, as per the poll. In May 2022, less than three months into the war, 60% of U.S. adults supported sending weapons to Ukraine, it further showed.

The poll revealed that Americans are roughly evenly divided on whether or not to transfer federal funding directly to Ukraine, with 37% in favor, 38% opposed, and 23% saying neither.

The signals of waning support for Ukraine come as President Joe Biden prepares to visit Poland next week to commemorate the first anniversary of the war in Ukraine.

That's what you call waning support and it's going to get worse as inflation hits home.

 

[Kieppie]

And yet the regulations were introduced as a starting point due to rather large number of derailments per year. The US averages around 4-5 train derailments per day. I don't see how arguing dangerous cargos should have better brakes is limited applicability.

Just another overreaction by Obama/Biden leading them to needlessly spend more of other people's money.

 

[quovadis]

So now please tell us how FAST would have prevented this accident?

Directly? No way of knowing - the same as trying to say they wouldn't have because they only apply under certain scenarios.

If you review the original framework it doesn't have nearly as much language that would limit its application but as with many laws those stakeholders negotiate so that a framework exists but has limited applications in order for stakeholders to be able to comply from the outset.

What I do know is that the safety regulations including these include review, analysis and amendment. If there is no regulation in its entirety as it is repealed it cannot be reviewed, analysed or amended.