Eleven Palestinians killed during Israeli raid in Nablus

Cray said:
Sure, as long as the current residents of both territories are made full Israeli citizens, or is the plan to expel them..?
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We've had this conversation before.

Any Palestinians who want to completely integrate into Israel can stay.
Literally everyone else should be yeeted into neighbouring Muslim countries who like to say they support Palestine.

Now, being able to make sure that all the people who say they want to integrate, actually do and don't want to just infiltrate and cause issues, is a different story.
 
Vorastra said:
We've had this conversation before.

Any Palestinians who want to completely integrate into Israel can stay.
Literally everyone else should be yeeted into neighbouring Muslim countries who like to say they support Palestine.

Now, being able to make sure that all the people who say they want to integrate, actually do and don't want to just infiltrate and cause issues, is a different story.
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Yeah, therein lies the rub, how do you tell the difference between someone who genuinely wants to become Israeli and someone who says they want to so they can blow themselves up 6 months down the line? I can guarantee that what the Israelis will ask too...
 
Kaapie said:
Deny, defend, reason, whatabout all you like Grant and co.
Apartheid, oppression, murder can be explained and reasoned away, for near a century, since they don't look like you, worship like you or share your 'values'.

In this century it is becoming less easy to pretend it's not happening, hence the upswell of consciousness and outrage.
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The hipocisy is mind boggling for one who supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but takes issue when Israel does the same to Palestine, suddenly its an issue.
Your lack of "consciousness & outrage" when it comes to Russia & Ukraine, is breathtaking
 
Grant said:
The hipocisy is mind boggling for one who supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but takes issue when Israel does the same to Palestine, suddenly its an issue.
Your lack of "consciousness & outrage" when it comes to Russia & Ukraine, is breathtaking
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I actually don't think he gives a sh*t about any of it, he just wants to be contrarian, it's why he is labeling everyone racist because they laugh at the idea of joining the ANC.
 
Speedster said:
Ah, you see. There it is. Palestinians are allowed attacking Israel, with no criticism from apologists. It is Israel's fault Palestinians fire rockets at them and the use their own civilians as human shields.
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That's bullschit, and you know it.
You and I are neighbor's, and each year I move the fence a metre further into your garden.
Are you going to just suck it up and sing kumbaya
 
Grant said:
That's bullschit, and you know it.
You and I are neighbor's, and each year I move the fence a metre further into your garden.
Are you going to just suck it up and sing kumbaya
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Lol. You need to read up on your history.

Anyway, until you're ready to criticize both sides for their conduct this is a fruitless conversation.

What do you think would happen if these guys decided to fire their rockets at Egypt or Jordan or even a US military base? How would those countries respond?
 
airborne said:
The thing I find daft is Isreal claims the occupied territories that they “won” but fail to realise we don’t live in medieval times where if you claimed land after victory in war you just murdered everyone or booted them all off the land and out of the territory, problem solved live happily ever after in your newly “acquired“ land. That happened countless times the world over, it was “normal” back then and the only real way to deal with the issue or otherwise you were guaranteed to have endless problems with insurgents.

But now Isreal has claimed all this land in the 20 century where they can’t do things the old ways and not have repercussions. Now in these disputed lands they have many Palestine’s who are unsurprisingly hostile towards them as neighbours and things aren’t working out. Surprise surprise.

But even that being said the normal every day people on both sides are reasonable and tolerant, actually remarkably so but there are real nut jobs on both sides, fuelled by religious ideology. And the funny thing is both sides are more similar than different, anyone that knows more radical Jewish and Muslim people can bare that out, they are literally brothers from a different mother and both are as narrow minded and intolerant as the other.
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you forget they tried that in 1948, the British wanted to partition the land, one for Jews and one for Arabs, but guess what?
Arabs said hell no, Jews said yes, look where we are after 75 years, Palestinians living in a tiny Sliver of land, Israel GAVE them,
remember Gaza is a Israeli Free Zone, its Illegal to enter if your Israeli, and instead of becoming a thriving Enclave, what do they do, with all the money ISRAEL GIVES THEM, Build Rockets and Kill Civilians, and turn the rest into a Trash pile with no jobs, food scarcity and load shedding that makes SA feel like Belgium.

is there a Solution, maybe, but not without some sacrifice from either side, and the last Israeli one that tried, Rabin got assassinated.
same with Arafat, and the current Leaders, seems extremely unlikely.
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
you forget they tried that in 1948, the British wanted to partition the land, one for Jews and one for Arabs, but guess what?
Arabs said hell no, Jews said yes, look where we are after 75 years, Palestinians living in a tiny Sliver of land, Israel GAVE them,
remember Gaza is a Israeli Free Zone, its Illegal to enter if your Israeli, and instead of becoming a thriving Enclave, what do they do, with all the money ISRAEL GIVES THEM, Build Rockets and Kill Civilians, and turn the rest into a Trash pile with no jobs, food scarcity and load shedding that makes SA feel like Belgium.
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There is so much wrong with this post.
jassis. My earlier post refers.
 
Kaapie said:
There is so much wrong with this post.
jassis. My earlier post refers.
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Actually, there is very little I agree with him on but there are a few valid points.

When Israel pulled out of Gaza there was the chance to build and grow. With the obvious goodwill of the world towards the people who have suffered for decades, think of the money that would pour in to develop for example a tourist haven on the Med and the benefits that brings. But unfortunately the 'leaders' chose to continue the violence and here we sit with no end in sight and the people suffering the most are the Palestinians.

The point is that the money that does come in goes towards tunnels and rockets, and the subsequent inevitable response from Israeli reprisals just keeps the cycle going and the sympathy bucks rolling in. And so it goes, on and on for as long as any one of us can remember.
 
Vorastra said:
They'd instantly get the land they wanted. If anything I'd say that it's the Muslim countries who wouldn't agree since this is an issue they love to use to constantly bludgeon Israel and use it a a domestic talking point.
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Whose land will they get if they are all moved to a muslim country?

They tried the same thing with the Jews during PRIOR to World War 2, virtually nobody wanted to take them either to spare them.
 
Kaapie said:
I do myself, and mood, no favours responding to the rampant prejudice and propogandised idiocy on display.
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So, no answers other than your inherent prejudice? But of course, you prefer one side over the other so let's come back in 10 years when how many more 100s of innocent people have died.

Kaapie said:
carry on.
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It would not be much of a discussion if I did. You do know how forums work, right?
 
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