ANC gives De Ruyter seven days to lay criminal charges over corruption at Eskom or else...

Wouldn't it have been nice if he had a single email or recording or WhatsApp to demonstrate anything of what he said?
 
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I personally don't believe he has hard evidence. These guys are career criminals, they wouldn't be so brazen or stupid to leave a trail. Its purely word of mouth, if you read between the lines.

Like the cops at the roadblock saying how hungry they are. They never directly ask for money..
 
s0lar said:
I personally don't believe he has hard evidence. These guys are career criminals, they wouldn't be so brazen or stupid to leave a trail. Its purely word of mouth, if you read between the lines.

Like the cops at the roadblock saying how hungry they are. They never directly ask for money..
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There is always a trail, it just depends how hard you want to look.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Can anyone with a News24 account give a summary?

www.news24.com

OPINION | Nick Dall and Matthew Blackman: Calling BS on André de Ruyter's 'white Afrikaans blind spots' | News24

André de Ruyter, in his gone-viral interview with Annika Larsen, seems to believe his "white Afrikaans blind spots" prevented him from fully understanding the corruption at Eskom. Given the long and sordid relationship between Eskom and the National Party, one must wonder what rear-view mirror...
www.news24.com www.news24.com



Stephen Grootes gave the article support within his own piece,

www.dailymaverick.co.za

André de Ruyter, ANC and the end of Eskom as we know it

The fallout from Andre de Ruyter’s television interview and his subsequent ‘release’ from his notice period by the board of Eskom has set much of South African society alight. The reaction to his comm…
www.dailymaverick.co.za www.dailymaverick.co.za



Just want to gauge the context in which it is written because likening things to the past will be exploited by the ANC. Give it enough time, and we have a tribunal calling old and dead Broerderbond members to answer to Eskom's collapse giving the ANC many more years to breathe.

This is the excerpt, and I understand that blind spot is synonymously used, you know, BS.
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Was going to sendto you in a PM but option is blocked.
 
Big ups to ANC on issuing the statement, now can they show the one where they called on Zuma to do the same.

Jacob Zuma and the ANC plan to "spill the beans" on corruption in the arms deal in a bid to end his legal woes, the Mail & Guardian reported on Friday.

https://www.polity.org.za/print-ver...-the-beans-on-arms-deal-corruption-2009-01-16

Then follow it up with the official charge and case number of Ramaposers money in couch incident.
 
Pak Fa Fui said:
My opinion and reference to the board, they are well established and accomplished successful business people, they have too much to lose to find themselves embroiled in this mess
The board in this instance is more powerful and respected than some of these ministers
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So you say, to quote a 2017 M&G article,

mg.co.za

Corrupt state owned enterprises lie at the heart of South Africa’s economic woes

The country stands to slip deeper into crisis unless the lust for loot is stopped. The economy is already in deep trouble.
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Corrupt state owned enterprises lie at the heart of South Africa’s economic woes

The prevailing economic crisis sweeping through South Africa is a direct result of economic mismanagement largely shaped by the looting of state owned enterprises.

Many are in deep trouble. Sheer incompetence and corruption has pushed entities like South African Airways and the South African Broadcasting Corporation closer to financial collapse. Serious questions are being asked about the legality of multi-billion rand procurements at Transnet and the state power utility Eskom.

The scale of the problem has been brought into sharp relief in recent weeks by two developments that show corruption in state owned enterprises has been unfolding for years. The first was the release of a report written by academics: Betrayal of the Promise. The second was the leaking of 200 000 emails which point to dubious links between the Gupta family, senior politicians and officials.

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The recent board and management scandals at the Passenger Rail Agency of South Africa (Prasa), South African Broadcast Corporation (SABC), South African Airways (SAA) and Eskom indicate that there has been little commitment to improve governance and address operational deficiencies. Instead some senior ANC officials claim that a call for reforms is anti-transformation.
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now, these 'scandals' date way back and have involved other persons too at other intervals in time, but to continue quoting the article,

Nevertheless, the patronage network that stands accused of milking state owned enterprises has started to crumble. This includes the axing of Hlaudi Motsoeneng from the South African Broadcasting Corporation and Molefe from Eskom. Ben Ngubane has resigned as chairperson of the Eskom board.

There are also signs that public and private pressure is forcing some government ministers to take responsibility for their departments. Examples include Minister of Public Enterprises Lynne Brown, Communications Minister Ayanda Dlodlo and the Minister of Police Fikile Mbalula.

Nevertheless, the key implication of the Gupta emails is that reversing the deep damage inflicted on the country must start with reforming state owned enterprises. Reversing the rot will take decades. It should begin by ensuring that measures agreed last year are implemented.

These include:
  • holding the corrupt public servants to account,
  • closing loopholes in public procurement to ensure that history isn’t repeated, and
  • appointing suitably qualified and experienced technocrats rather than unqualified politically connected individuals.
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so what examples have been made about Brown, Dloldo and Mbalula, and how have these measures ensured anti-corruption since implemented? Sure, the boards, then, were also respected and had more sway than the ministers, should you stand correct... accomplished then, accomplished now, accomplished at what?

I can also point you to other public trading enterprises which have had accomplished business leaders being nothing other than being accomplished at being skelm. So sure, in your argument, a person like Markus Jooste is also accomplished and had respect and strength amongst his peers?

Fallible isn't even applicable in this conversation. The thing is, corruption in the state and within their enterprises never changes. They don't deem themselves corrupt. What we need is a regime change to start and chip away at this systemic corruption. No more Broederbond, no more Cadres.

Now, I am not saying that all board members are enablers and/or implicit, but our SOE boards are either wholly or partially captured.
 
ghaye said:
Would the same apply to the minister who already knew about it?
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If he presents the evidence, it would then apply to them too. He made the accusation, the court can't ask an accused to present evidence. The onus of proof lies with the person making the claim, not the person being accused...
 
konfab said:
Why are they threatening? If they know corruption happened at Eskom, then why don't they report it? The same act binds the ANC, especially since they are willing to die on the hill of cadre deployment.

And De Ruyter did report it. He reported it to the media. And he was fired for doing so by the board who is directly controlled by the ANC.
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The media is not an organ of state tasked with upholding the law.

I would love for him to provide the evidence. What's the point in getting everyone excited and then doing nothing about it...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
If he presents the evidence, it would then apply to them too. He made the accusation, the court can't ask an accused to present evidence. The onus of proof lies with the person making the claim, not the person being accused...
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True the ANC must first prove that they themselves are crooks before they can accuse AMDR of not reporting them as crooks.
 
At least he, has some wiggle room this time just in case things don't go according to plan, he must have learnt something from the sophisticated device fumble.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
If he presents the evidence, it would then apply to them too. He made the accusation, the court can't ask an accused to present evidence. The onus of proof lies with the person making the claim, not the person being accused...
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So if there is no evidence then then charges drop away and the worst he faces is defamation or slander?
 
ghaye said:
So if there is no evidence then then charges drop away and the worst he faces is defamation or slander?
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If there is no evidence there will probably be no charges to drop and there will probably be no defamation lawsuit since he has made sure not to give any names.

To his credit he has played this for maximum benefit knowing that South Africans are suckers for a good scandal, factual or not.
 
Except for one small detail. We know how absolutely corrupt the ANC actually is. The required proof is for everyone to see in the state of our country. Proof is more difficult when the cadres are in charge of everything. Hlophe much anyone?
 
TheChamp said:
To his credit he has played this for maximum benefit knowing that South Africans are suckers for a good scandal, factual or not.
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Factual? You saying there is no corruption in Eskom leading to ministers? For real?
 
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