SAPS special task force unit ranks among world's top 10 SWAT teams

ForceFate said:
So you think the STF are terrible?
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I have no idea. I am more concerned with the general increase in violent crime across the board affecting normal South Africans. You know both black and white, rich and poor. That’s were I grade law enforcement.
 
Vorastra said:
I'd like to have seen BORTAC compete. I've heard they're hot sht.
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Seeing that Russia is sending actual National Guard spetsnaz the US could also send a military Special Reaction Team. As I said, these are competitive trials and not a changing situation. It is all sports.

It is also not like Europe is competing, they have some lethal and very reactive Gendarmerie, but so do many other countries. Many operators can't really show themselves.
 
ForceFate said:
So you think the STF are terrible?
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Let's put it this way....

I would be willing to take on any team the STF has to offer today. I will likely lose the battle, but still willing to take my chances. There is a toss-up chance I may make it out alive.

Send a team of 3-5 1980 or 1990 STF members and they will find me laying in the road surrendering when they arrive.
 
rvZA said:
Let's put it this way....

I would be willing to take on any team the STF has to offer today. I will likely lose the battle, but still willing to take my chances. There is a toss-up chance I may make it out alive.

Send a team of 3-5 1980 or 1990 STF members and they will find me laying in the road surrendering when they arrive.
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You have to give the STF credit, operationally, and doctrine wise, a lot has changed since the 80s and 90s. Just know that though they all had to do the same trials at the round-up challenge that they are all specialised to solve a problem unique to their required situation. You can’t expect the SAPD’s SPF to step up to a hostage situation in New York, nor can you expect the NYPD’s ESU to do a recon op in rural SA.

You need to ask what problems had the STF in 1980s and 1990s to solve, what was their operational doctrine then as opposed to now?
 
rvZA said:
Let's put it this way....

I would be willing to take on any team the STF has to offer today. I will likely lose the battle, but still willing to take my chances. There is a toss-up chance I may make it out alive.

Send a team of 3-5 1980 or 1990 STF members and they will find me laying in the road surrendering when they arrive.
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Yeah no you wouldn't... There is zero chance you would make it out alive, regardless of what puffed up opinion of your skills you have.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Yeah no you wouldn't... There is zero chance you would make it out alive, regardless of what puffed up opinion of your skills you have.
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Like I said, there are chances I am willing to take and there are chances I am not willing to take. Whatever the consequences, it will be what it will be.
 
rvZA said:
Like I said, there are chances I am willing to take and there are chances I am not willing to take. Whatever the consequences, it will be what it will be.
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So basically you just have a puffed up opinion of your abilities and skills.

It's not really a surprise but it's still funny as fsck watching you do it on something you clearly have sweet fek all clue about.
 
Galactica said:
How is this mediocrity?
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I think what he is referring to is that this is rather a ceremonial action where the STF ended up 9th.

It would have been better if you had these guys on the streets doing normal complaints, which is not even part of their mandate, in fighting crime and saving real victims.

By the way, back in the 1990's it was not uncommon to have these guys on the streets, even on vehicles with normal police officers doing complaints on some days.
 
ToxicBunny said:
So basically you just have a puffed up opinion of your abilities and skills.

It's not really a surprise but it's still funny as fsck watching you do it on something you clearly have sweet fek all clue about.
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Really? I do not even have these type of skills. But, like I said, there are chances I am willing to take. This is one of them.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Yeah no you wouldn't... There is zero chance you would make it out alive, regardless of what puffed up opinion of your skills you have.
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If they read his post history beforehand they may off themselves before they reach him.
 
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