Strikers at Pelonomi Hospital in Bloemfontein armed with sjamboks as frazzled, terrified doctors warn that patients will die

Cray said:
No one is suggesting people shouldn't be allowed to strike for better conditions, but preventing other workers who are not on strike from helping sick people is unconscionable and deserves to be met with the full force of the law.
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What is that?
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I see they have widened their scope,

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A Looter Continua. Targeting a special school, pathetic scum.
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This is why the law abiding citizens of the country need to arm themselves and ensure they act within the ambit of the law to protect the property & lives of those around them.
 
RiaX said:
Lol I like the way you guys think medicine is some noble trade where people must work for below their worth simply because they public health staff

Medicine is a job like any other job. Make no mistake if it wasn't illegal for Drs and pharmacists to strike they would've walked out.

If anybody dies here it's the department of health fault for not renumerating their professional staff properly. You okes have no idea how health staff are abused.

They can increase minimum wage by 9% but they can't pay their health sector staff properly? Keep in mind when you work for this pathetic government you doing 4 peoples job everyday as all the posts are frozen. These nurses are 2 to 4 in a ward during a shift .... that's 3 nurses in a 26 bed ward that's at capacity....

This happens everywhere have you guys forgotten the NHS strike in the UK?

Health staff are not a charity.... they never will be.
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There is a reason doctors have Hippocratic oaths. It is a noble profession that shouldn't be done for monetary gains.

That being said someone having a cold or needing a non critical procedure or medicine doesn't fall under that IMO. I don't see any reason why doctors can't go slow on non life threatening procedures and treatments to have an impact on the hospitals operations.
 
RiaX said:
Lol I like the way you guys think medicine is some noble trade where people must work for below their worth simply because they public health staff

Medicine is a job like any other job. Make no mistake if it wasn't illegal for Drs and pharmacists to strike they would've walked out.

If anybody dies here it's the department of health fault for not renumerating their professional staff properly. You okes have no idea how health staff are abused.

They can increase minimum wage by 9% but they can't pay their health sector staff properly? Keep in mind when you work for this pathetic government you doing 4 peoples job everyday as all the posts are frozen. These nurses are 2 to 4 in a ward during a shift .... that's 3 nurses in a 26 bed ward that's at capacity....

This happens everywhere have you guys forgotten the NHS strike in the UK?

Health staff are not a charity.... they never will be.
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Or they could just leave and get employment outside of the government, no-one is forcing them to work. Except the problem is that they are unemployable outside of the public sector.

And need I remind you that NEHAWU and their ilk always give their loyal support to the ANC every election, the same ANC that will then blow money on corruption.
 
Mista_Mobsta said:
This is why the law abiding citizens of the country need to arm themselves and ensure they act within the ambit of the law to protect the property & lives of those around them.
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What does the law say about protecting property with guns?
 
Cray said:
No one is suggesting people shouldn't be allowed to strike for better conditions, but preventing other workers who are not on strike from helping sick people is unconscionable and deserves to be met with the full force of the law.


Show me where NHS strikers attacked non-strikers trying to help sick people..
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The people working aren't allowed to go on strike. That's my point. Some can't afford to not be paid and don't strike. Again if you feel sorry for the sick people then you need to blame the government. They didn't just wake up Monday and say let's strike. These talks have been going on at chambers for 3 and a half years. What you want them to do ? They know government won't bother if services aren't disrupted. Even if they only have 1 nurse in the entire hospital they will expect that one nurse to service the entire hospital and if they don't they discipline them. As I said you okes have no idea

The NHS doesn't have a retarded government that will allow it to get to that point. Though if you think unions don't use intimidation tactics simply because they are first world countries then you are mistaken.
 
Cray said:
Sadly that doesn't mean too much in this country, was thinking of rubber bullets as a minimum, if that doesn't work, arrest and jail.
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Also not how it works here, it's arrest, out on bail 5 minutes later, court for 100 years then you die of old age.

I think vigilante justice is the only way moving forward. Then these kriminals will thing twice as they won't have the justice system to protect them.
 
wingnut771 said:
What does the law say about protecting property with guns?
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You can use force to deter a criminal:
Various requirements must be met before the defensive act will be considered lawful. The attack must be: • commenced or imminent; • against a legally recognised interest;5 and • unlawful. The action made in defence must be: • necessary to avert the attack; • reasonable in terms of the amount of force used; and • directed against the attacker
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The use of lethal force to deter an attack on property is a completely different kettle of fish so one has to be careful when assessing whether or not the criminal act will place anyone's life in danger
 
RiaX said:
The people working aren't allowed to go on strike. That's my point. Some can't afford to not be paid and don't strike. Again if you feel sorry for the sick people then you need to blame the government. They didn't just wake up Monday and say let's strike. These talks have been going on at chambers for 3 and a half years. What you want them to do ? They know government won't bother if services aren't disrupted. Even if they only have 1 nurse in the entire hospital they will expect that one nurse to service the entire hospital and if they don't they discipline them. As I said you okes have no idea

The NHS doesn't have a retarded government that will allow it to get to that point. Though if you think unions don't use intimidation tactics simply because they are first world countries then you are mistaken.
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Stop working for government and go private sector?
 
RiaX said:
The people working aren't allowed to go on strike.
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They seem to be doing it though...?

RiaX said:
That's my point. Some can't afford to not be paid and don't strike. Again if you feel sorry for the sick people then you need to blame the government. They didn't just wake up Monday and say let's strike. These talks have been going on at chambers for 3 and a half years. What you want them to do ?
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Not to intimidate people who are trying to do their job and to not risk the lives of people who didn't choose to get sick. Blaming the government for sick people dying is a cop-out. we know government healthcare is k*k and riddled with corrupion. However an injured person dying because strikers attacked an ambulance taking them to a hospital, that is entirely the fault of the strikers.

RiaX said:
They know government won't bother if services aren't disrupted. Even if they only have 1 nurse in the entire hospital they will expect that one nurse to service the entire hospital and if they don't they discipline them. As I said you okes have no idea
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I have plenty of an idea about how sh*t our government is, that doesn't give people the right to break the law.

RiaX said:
The NHS doesn't have a retarded government that will allow it to get to that point. Though if you think unions don't use intimidation tactics simply because they are first world countries then you are mistaken.
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If you think the current British government isn't retarded then you haven't been paying attention, there is never an excuse for violence or intimidation when striking. The difference is, first world countries deal with violence and intimidation where they can. And just because it gets done in first-world countries, that doesn't make it right there either.
 
wingnut771 said:
Yeah, that's not how real life works.
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Hence my comment about acting within the ambit of the law. Saffers should stop being afraid to act against these criminals, as long as you are acting within the prescriptions of the law. I am not saying everyone should be playing cowboys and crooks but, if you have the means and brainpower to arm yourself and act correctly, you have the means to enforce the law in your immediate vicinity.

The point is these striking terrorists, who are obviously educated, don't give a damn for the lives of patients - why would you think a criminal would feel anything for your life?
 
RiaX said:
The people working aren't allowed to go on strike. That's my point. Some can't afford to not be paid and don't strike. Again if you feel sorry for the sick people then you need to blame the government. They didn't just wake up Monday and say let's strike. These talks have been going on at chambers for 3 and a half years. What you want them to do ? They know government won't bother if services aren't disrupted. Even if they only have 1 nurse in the entire hospital they will expect that one nurse to service the entire hospital and if they don't they discipline them. As I said you okes have no idea
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So? If they don't like the offer, they can just resign.
That is how it works for me and everyone else who isn't part of one of these commie unions. I went and found another employer who would like my services, got an offer of employment and took that back to my current employer and told them either they increase my salary or they get a resignation.

And I didn't even need to format the production server to make my point clear.

The problem is that these "workers" are living in lala land, where they don't have anyone else who will employ them. Which means in a free society with high unemployment like SA, you are just stuck with the job you get.

RiaX said:
The NHS doesn't have a retarded government that will allow it to get to that point. Though if you think unions don't use intimidation tactics simply because they are first world countries then you are mistaken.
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The government has to be retarded to want to be involved in healthcare. No state in the world neither has the mandate, nor the capability of providing healthcare.
 
Flanders said:
Imagine being a white patient in that hospital.

Can bet your bottom Zim 2.0 dollar there'd be one helluva international uproar if white medical staff were dancing around like phuckwits and singing about killing black people while denying them medical treatment.
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I wonder whether the knowledge of this culture of violence was the reason Verwoerd wanted separate facilities?
 
Just explain to me why is 3% not enough.
The private sector is 3% the norm if you are lucky, in some instances there just is not money for any increases and if you dont like it you can move on.
 
wingnut771 said:
What is that?
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Here, this is it! Peak force of the law.

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