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Gyre said:
I'm sure there are some exaggerations some places(and this instance, it might even be one manager) - just his interactions through his own Twitter account and the things happening in public tend to lend more proof to the things that happen behind closed doors. Twitter also isn't the only company people have complained about him.

I think the more that comes to light, slowly people are realizing he isn't this amazing guy, he is just an ******* boss that gets results.
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I think he gat away with it all by covering up the negative with positive PR from his companies. Slowly the truth starts to emerge as he ups the ante of his promises while his past BS starts to catch up with him (solar tiles, boring co, FSD, semi, cybertruck, AI robots, etc)
 
Gyre said:
I'm sure there are some exaggerations some places(and this instance, it might even be one manager) - just his interactions through his own Twitter account and the things happening in public tend to lend more proof to the things that happen behind closed doors. Twitter also isn't the only company people have complained about him.

I think the more that comes to light, slowly people are realizing he isn't this amazing guy, he is just an ******* boss that gets results.
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Indeed, the unfortunate truth is when business gets to this size, the a holes generally do better than the nice guys. Most CEOs of big companies will be dicks but they have good PR.
 
Tim_vb said:
I think he gat away with it all by covering up the negative with positive PR from his companies. Slowly the truth starts to emerge as he ups the ante of his promises while his past BS starts to catch up with him (solar tiles, boring co, FSD, semi, cybertruck, AI robots, etc)
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Why did Tesla produce a "whistle"?
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And it's not the first time he used a company of his to hijack a keyword search either
 
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So scummy.
 
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Yeah, he has also tried very hard to get rid of the story that his father use to own a share in an emerald mine in Zambia.

Articles that were on Forbes.com and AskMen.com where Musk himself admitted his father owned a share in the mine have disappeared from those websites (although still available on Internet Archive). He doesn't like the assertion that he may have been helped by his father's money.
 
Musk said he told them AI is dangerous, and that they wouldn't listen to him.

Yet he continues to play with them.

I don't want to write the guy off completely. Life is full of surprises, and it does happen once in a while that people alter their life course. But I wonder what it would take for him to really do a 180 on the global ruling class' fantasies for human-kind.
 
lexity said:
Musk said he told them AI is dangerous, and that they wouldn't listen to him.

Yet he continues to play with them.

I don't want to write the guy off completely. Life is full of surprises, and it does happen once in a while that people alter their life course. But I wonder what it would take for him to really do a 180 on the global ruling class' fantasies for human-kind.
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He is right though, FSD acts like a homing missile when it sees an emergency vehicle parked on the side of the highway covered in flashing lights

The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration recently found Tesla's FSD software was unsafe and prone to errors. It could cause vehicles to drive straight through intersections whilst in a turn-only lane, fail to come to a complete stop at stop signs, or veer out into oncoming traffic.

No wonder Mercedes beat Tesla to level 3 autonomous driving
 
Tim_vb said:
No wonder Mercedes beat Tesla to level 3 autonomous driving
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This has been covered. The level is only applicable in certain circumstances. Tesla could seek certification but then would have to limit FSD to essentially following the car in front at low speed and without changing lanes, or using specific parking etc. Mercs level 3 doesn't come close to the capability of Tesla outside of their restrictions for that certification. FSD is far from perfect but its considerably far ahead of others.
 
quovadis said:
This has been covered. The level is only applicable in certain circumstances. Tesla could seek certification but then would have to limit FSD to essentially following the car in front at low speed and without changing lanes, or using specific parking etc. Mercs level 3 doesn't come close to the capability of Tesla outside of their restrictions for that certification. FSD is far from perfect but its considerably far ahead of others.
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Nope.

If it is better, then why is it not better?

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Mercedes-Benz says it has achieved Level 3 automation, which requires less driver input, surpassing the self-driving capabilities of Tesla and other major US automakers

Mercedes-Benz will introduce its "Drive Pilot" system to the US market in Nevada and plans to expand to California.
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Since as far back as 2015, Tesla CEO Elon Musk has promised to deliver what Tesla calls "Full Self-Driving" features to its vehicles. But its rollout has either been delayed or faced criticism from lawmakers, safety experts, and customers.

Some critics have also accused the company of misleading its customers by calling the company's semi-autonomous driving system "Full Self-Driving."

In November, Musk expanded the "Full Self-Driving Beta" to all North American customers, however, the system is still rated at Level 2, which means the vehicle requires full driver attention.


The feature almost immediately attracted negative media scrutiny with reports of a Tesla Model S in "Full Self-Driving" mode causing an eight-car pileup in the San Francisco Bay Area in November.
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buka001 said:
Nope.

If it is better, then why is it not better?

www.businessinsider.com

Mercedes-Benz says it has achieved Level 3 automation, which requires less driver input, surpassing the self-driving capabilities of Tesla and other major US automakers

Mercedes-Benz will introduce its "Drive Pilot" system to the US market in Nevada and plans to expand to California.
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Forgive me if I don't have the details precise. Level 3 autonomy essentially means the driver is not required pay as much attention and is not required to have their hands on the steering wheel but remains available to take over if necessary. This level of autonomy for Merc is only under certain conditions which for drive pilot is 1) only suitable freeways 2) high levels of traffic 3) speeds up to 37mph and 4) no lane changes. That's it. It cannot navigate a journey from point A to point B even at level 2.
 
quovadis said:
Forgive me if I don't have the details precise. Level 3 autonomy essentially means the driver is not required pay as much attention and is not required to have their hands on the steering wheel but remains available to take over if necessary. This level of autonomy for Merc is only under certain conditions which for drive pilot is 1) only suitable freeways 2) high levels of traffic 3) speeds up to 37mph and 4) no lane changes. That's it. It cannot navigate a journey from point A to point B even at level 2.
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Yes, but what Mercedes does, it does so safely, without needing any input or oversight from a human.

That's why level 3 is considered autonomous and level 2 is not. Level 2 is basically "assisted" driving.

In my view it's much better to start off with a limited but safe and actually autonomous system that gets upgraded and developed as time goes by (all the while remaining safe and autonomous) than have a level 2 assisted driving system that can do all sorts of gimmicky things but not safely and therefore not autonomously.

If Tesla could actually hack it to make their system safe then they could also get level 3 certification (even just for limited areas/speeds). But it's not safe. People on YouTube who make videos of their "FSD" beta version say they don't even use it unless they are filming a YouTube video because it's just too stressful to be babysitting and correcting the car all the time (since it is so erratic).

My point is that what makes a car autonomous is that it can drive on it's own without needing the driver to pay attention to the road (limitations are irrelevant here), not that it can navigate from A to B on it's own but not safely enough for you to be able to take your eyes off the road and your hands off the steering wheel.
 
tetrasect said:
Yes, but what Mercedes does, it does so safely, without needing any input or oversight from a human.

That's why level 3 is considered autonomous and level 2 is not. Level 2 is basically "assisted" driving.

In my view it's much better to start off with a limited but safe and actually autonomous system that gets upgraded and developed as time goes by (all the while remaining safe and autonomous) than have a level 2 assisted driving system that can do all sorts of gimmicky things but not safely and therefore not autonomously.

If Tesla could actually hack it to make their system safe then they could also get level 3 certification (even just for limited areas/speeds). But it's not safe. People on YouTube who make videos of their "FSD" beta version say they don't even use it unless they are filming a YouTube video because it's just too stressful to be babysitting and correcting the car all the time (since it is so erratic).

My point is that what makes a car autonomous is that it can drive on it's own without needing the driver to pay attention to the road (limitations are irrelevant here), not that it can navigate from A to B on it's own but not safely enough for you to be able to take your eyes off the road and your hands off the steering wheel.
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I don't believe we're on the same page.

Tesla has 3 types of "assisted driving systems":
1 - Autopilot - This is essentially fancy cruise control where it'll stay in it's lane and keep its distance and break or accelerate and stay with the flow of traffic in the same lane.
2 - Autopilot Enhanced - This is Autopilot above plus the ability on its own to change lanes and pass slower moving vehicles and also the ability to summon the vehicle in a parking lot. It also has automated parking and parallel parking.
3 - Full Self Driving Beta - This allows the vehicle to drive itself from point A to point B with almost zero assistance from the driver - the driver needs to stay alert and is monitored to ensure they place their hand on the steering wheel from time to time. It will drive itself, navigate traffic, road hazards, on-ramps, off-ramps etc, on any road including dirt roads. The hand on steering wheel is only to ensure the driver is alert. All wheel movement, breaking, acceleration etc is done without the drivers hands, feet etc.

Merc has 2 types of "assisted driving systems"
1 - Park Pilot - The vehicle can park itself in certain scenarios without the driver inside - but last I checked only one parking lot in germany.
2 - Drive Pilot - Essentially the same as Tesla's autopilot above but even more limited to specific freeways with traffic and max 37mph only.

Those are the capabilities of the cars. I agree the autonomous definition makes the the less attention seem better but you have to consider the capabilities and not only the level.
 
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