EFF national shutdown: 'Don't try that nonsense in Cape Town', says Hill-Lewis

[Fulcrum29]

Doesn't help at all, so stop calling for anti-ANC government Arab Springs if you can't take a single day of no business.

You just fell off a high-horse you couldn't even get up on. Who exactly called for an "Arab Spring"?

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Don't even get me started on, "can't take a single day of no business", you honestly think that is the price paid for a single day of closure?

 

[Fulcrum29]

@Galactica is the Keyboard Command of the EFF still based out of Braamfontein?

 

[Vrotappel]

You are the one who's drunk if you think the DA will win a national election, in fact the EFF will outstrip them in size in your lifetime.

The way of the EFF is destruction and death.

 

[Galactica]

You and the anti-government protesters have a common enemy, you need to unite not fight against them, you make your enemy stronger and happy when you do that. You have been so indoctrinated in "Us vs Them" that you do not see the obvious fact that on your own you will achieve nothing. You do not see that with your numbers you will never turn the tide, the same "them" who you are always pointing fingers at are the very same people you will need to bring any change to the country. You can't eat your cake and have it. Your approach for bringing change is against the natural order so it won't succeed!

 

[Galactica]

@Galactica is the Keyboard Command of the EFF still based out of Braamfontein?

I can't be based at EFF HQ and Luthuli house, make up your minds!

Your brains are incapable of engagement without first classifying people in neat boxes. Like I said you lot were well indoctrinated in separation and it looks like you will take it to the grave.

 

[Fulcrum29]

You and the anti-government protesters have a common enemy, you need to unite not fight against them, you make your enemy stronger and happy when you do that. You have been so indoctrinated in "Us vs Them" that you do not see the obvious fact that on your own you will achieve nothing. You do not see that with your numbers you will never turn the tide, the same "them" who you are always pointing fingers at are the very same people you will need to bring any change to the country. You can't eat your cake and have it. Your approach for bringing change is against the natural order so it won't succeed!

You just tripped and went off the rails by casting a reflection of oneself. Your last sentence also has a good dose of facism, contextually. My approach is to democratically vote in the party I believe will best govern the South African people and its interests.

 

[The Darkness]

This is just it, you want the ANC out but you oppose mass action directed towards that goal. And you somehow don't see the irony!

"Yeah Julius! How dare he agitate against the king! Crucify him! Crucify him! Crucify him!"

Next Day

"The king is an absolute tyrant! Just a peep against him and you will be persecuted!"

What are you on about? Are you drunk?
I would never support a terrorist action against my countrymen in this way. Shutting down a key point is not the way to achieve anything. What do you think it would achieve? Serious question. The ANC will step down? We will always take the higher ground, present an air of integrity and dignity.

 

[Galactica]

What wards do the EFF manage?

Let's talk again in 10 years. You will manage wards but not the country, temper your ambitions.

 

[Nerfherder]

Yes.



I support both, I like Hill-Lewis and Steenhuisen.

The point I conveyed is that Cape Town is a big and distributed city. Nobody knows what to expect on the 20th, but we know that some unions will start their strikes next week. The city must best apply their policing resources. Neither is Cape Town the Western Cape; things can go rough here and could spill into Cape Town. You should see the strikes over and beyond the mountains; it isn’t pretty.

As much as Hill-Lewis took a position, the EFF/SADTU will perceive it as a threat and as a result may apply special attention to Cape Town. There is nothing the DA's opposition love more than destabilising them.

In short, Hill-Lewis may have challenged the EFF/SADTU to try and make Cape Town ungovernable. It all comes down to how the parties interpreted the warning.

The thing we have going for us is that the EFF don't have massive support down here, and the ANC support is dwindling. So its less likely that stuff will happen here.

I think GHL (I'm initializing his name from now on) probably should have just kept quiet, just leave sleeping dogs. The last EFF protest was a flop, no numbers, no support.
There was supposed to be a taxi strike the other day as well ? *crickets*

But then if you push them in a corner like that you are just asking for trouble.
The way to win the fight is in the eyes of the people, they need to see the success of the DA and the EFF fading into obscurity.

 

[Nerfherder]

You are the one who's drunk if you think the DA will win a national election, in fact the EFF will outstrip them in size in your lifetime.

Which nation though ?

 

[Spizz]

This is just it, you want the ANC out but you oppose mass action directed towards that goal. And you somehow don't see the irony!

"Yeah Julius! How dare he agitate against the king! Crucify him! Crucify him! Crucify him!"

Next Day

"The king is an absolute tyrant! Just a peep against him and you will be persecuted!"

WTF are you on about? You want change, then you vote for change. It’s how our democracy works. How do you think a small vocal minority intimidating the majority not to go to work or school will help us to achieve anything productive towards fixing the fsck up that this country has become?

It’s an absolutely pathetic move. Politicking of the lowest form aimed at idiots stupid enough to think a stay away will end load shedding or create jobs.

 

[Bliksis]

What are you on about? Are you drunk?
I would never support a terrorist action against my countrymen in this way. Shutting down a key point is not the way to achieve anything. What do you think it would achieve? Serious question. The ANC will step down? We will always take the higher ground, present an air of integrity and dignity.

He wants us to support the EFF in an attempt to teach the ANC a lesson.

 

[Nerfherder]

South Africans are so incredibly impotent and hypocritical it's flabbergasting! From those who say "the bad Governance in this country needs citizens to stand up/a revolution/civil disobedience" to those who say "Nothing will change because the people are complacent." They will complain and scream and shout until they are red in the face, they will moan online day and night calling for "somebody to do something." Let somebody try to do something suddenly they talk as if they are on the side of the government they whine about day and night, they call for the protests to be suppressed, they scream "law and order" and insist on maintaining status quo...the same status quo that they are addicted to complaining about! All because the one doing something about the status quo don't look like them, or think like them or they don't like that person...bugger the common enemy! It's incredibly dof! They all wish for an Arab Spring, a revolution, an event to teach the evil ANC government a lesson but somehow it must happen entirely from behind people's desktops, it must be groundbreaking and powerful but at the same time it be clean and not disturb status quo! It must be ordered Mr D style and come down from the sky without anybody's hands getting dirty or normal lives being interrupted for a single day!

How will destroying the country teach the ANC a lesson ? It hasn't taught them a damn thing yet.
This is low grade 30%er logic.

At best the KZN riots should have done this. Show them how out of control things are, the mood of the people.
Not a damn thing was done.

You are right. Something should be done, just not the stupid things the EFF do.

 

[Galactica]

You DA types were fully beind a National shutdown/Day of rage against Zuma so don't say "I would never". What's changed now? What thought process do you go through?

"Zuma is a Zulu peasant cultural chauvinist who wants to take the country the Zimbabwe route, we must unite with the blacks and get rid of him."?

And now...

"Yeah the ANC is bad but I can never support an anti-ANC mass action initiated by boorish Julius, he's worse than Zuma! Rather Cyril than that tinpot Idi Amini Malema!"

You just have no view of the bigger picture.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1488079228771962883

For instance, a retired 58-year-old white man from Centurion said that he was at the march TO SUPPORT ALL SOUTH AFRICANS TO GET RID OF THE ZUPTAS (ZUMA AND THE GUPTAS), NOT THE ANC.

 

[Spizz]

You DA types were fully beind a National shutdown/Day of rage against Zuma so don't say "I would never". What's changed now? What thought process do you go through?

"Zuma is a Zulu peasant cultural chauvinist who wants to take the country the Zimbabwe route, we must unite with the blacks and get rid of him."?

And now...

"Yeah the ANC is bad but I can never support an anti-ANC mass action initiated by boorish Julius, he's worse than Zuma! Rather Cyril than that tinpot Idi Amini Malema!"

You just have no view of the bigger picture.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1488079228771962883

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How many businesses were intimidated into closing or how many warnings were handed out to schools or fscking airports into closing down?

Do you actually know how democracy works?

 

[Fulcrum29]

You DA types were fully beind a National shutdown/Day of rage against Zuma so don't say "I would never". What's changed now? What thought process do you go through?

"Zuma is a Zulu peasant cultural chauvinist who wants to take the country the Zimbabwe route, we must unite with the blacks and get rid of him."?

And now...

"Yeah the ANC is bad but I can never support an anti-ANC mass action initiated by boorish Julius, he's worse than Zuma! Rather Cyril than that tinpot Idi Amini Malema!"

You just have no view of the bigger picture.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1488079228771962883

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April 7, 2017: The day middle-class apathy died in South Africa

There has to be something seriously abnormal for middle-class South Africans to self-mobilise around the country and take to the streets in the numbers and manner experienced on 7 April. And while it was the seriousness of one man’s action – his lack of meaningful explanation for his removal of...

www.dailymaverick.co.za

What made the 7 April protest extraordinary was that it was not organised by a political party or an organised labour entity. It was instead an action triggered by civil society and a number of leaders who heard the howls of frustration and suggested a call to action; “Moan less and express your frustration through a show of unity by taking to the streets – peacefully.” Do so on one day and sacrifice a day’s leave if need be. Better still, business owners, if you too are angry, give your staff a day off and close your doors, if you can afford to do so.

The day of Friday 7 April was proposed by civil society leadership and the energy began to unleash itself. Calls came from towns and cities around the country – “we also want in on the action”. And so it was that with a little guidance and suggestions, communities elected their leaders to take control, apply for protest permissions, select the venues and get on with arranging themselves.

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The energy was immense and before we knew it, Friday the 7th had arrived. Those who said it would be a damp squib were silenced. Not even a last-minute press conference by the acting Police Commissioner, Kgomotso Phahlane, to warn of harsh police action to quell a mistakenly unapproved protest could stop the energy. Fortunately, smart and fast reaction by Mark Heywood of SECTION27 and his legal team were able to get a last-minute court order to enable the public’s constitutional rights to play out in Pretoria – the last hurdle had been removed.

Additionally, the governing authorities also got a whiff of a new energy and anger by the middle class, the most powerful sector of society. What was more impressive is that the protests were multiracial, multicultural, multireligious and apolitical. The authorities certainly underestimated the turnout and a picture of the seeds of an Arab Spring might have even crossed their minds.

EFF warns businesses to close on day of planned shutdown or face being looted | News24

Ahead of its planned national shutdown on 20 March, the EFF has warned all small businesses and factories to close on the day or risk being looted.

www.news24.com

EFF warns businesses to close on day of planned shutdown or face being looted​

What is the picture you incite, you tell me?

 

[Galactica]

How many businesses were intimidated into closing or how many warnings were handed out to schools or fscking airports into closing down?

"As shops in central Cape Town were closed on the day, or closed early, office workers stepped outside or watched through windows as marchers meandered through city streets. At Parliament a small contingent of police in body armour kept watch outside the main gate, locked like all others, with metal chains and padlocks. A handful of police stood guard inside the gates."

#Zumamustfall: Thousands march calling for Zuma to step down

Were Friday's marches a white middle-class expression of dissatisfaction? It was not, or rather, not entirely. It looked like something Madiba would have cobbled together during a fever dream. By DAIL…

www.dailymaverick.co.za

This was okay when it was Zuma.

Banners were mounted on bridges across the M3 and through Plumstead, Kenilworth and Rondebosch.

A mass of bikers joined the protest. Jurgem Buchelt said close to one thousand motorbikers rode from N1 City to Parliament for the Zuma protests.

Slow-moving trucks also obstructed traffic on major highways.

JOHANNESBURG - Business Leadership South Africa (BLSA) wrote to member organisations, encouraging them to allow employees who want to take part in protest marches during a vote of no confidence against President Jacob Zuma, time to do so.

Companies asked to release workers for anti-Zuma protests

Three marches are planned next week in support of the motion of no confidence vote against President Jacob Zuma.

www.enca.com

What happened to this spirit:

Kirsty Forsmann shared that the day was quite an experience for her, as she was participating in a protest for the first time in her life. But what really pushed her to participate? “The deteriorating state of affairs made me realise that I need to stand up and do something because I want to see change in our country and I believe that my participation in this protest will bring the change that I want to see.”

 

[Spizz]

"As shops in central Cape Town were closed on the day, or closed early, office workers stepped outside or watched through windows as marchers meandered through city streets. At Parliament a small contingent of police in body armour kept watch outside the main gate, locked like all others, with metal chains and padlocks. A handful of police stood guard inside the gates."

#Zumamustfall: Thousands march calling for Zuma to step down

Were Friday's marches a white middle-class expression of dissatisfaction? It was not, or rather, not entirely. It looked like something Madiba would have cobbled together during a fever dream. By DAIL…

www.dailymaverick.co.za

So, a peaceful demonstration? That’s nice, although I’m not sure if you are making a point.

But anyway, you never answered my question.

 

[CapoPlays]

South Africans are so incredibly impotent and hypocritical it's flabbergasting! From those who say "the bad Governance in this country needs citizens to stand up/a revolution/civil disobedience" to those who say "Nothing will change because the people are complacent." They will complain and scream and shout until they are red in the face, they will moan online day and night calling for "somebody to do something." Let somebody try to do something suddenly they talk as if they are on the side of the government they whine about day and night, they call for the protests to be suppressed, they scream "law and order" and insist on maintaining status quo...the same status quo that they are addicted to complaining about! All because the one doing something about the status quo don't look like them, or think like them or they don't like that person...bugger the common enemy! It's incredibly dof! They all wish for an Arab Spring, a revolution, an event to teach the evil ANC government a lesson but somehow it must happen entirely from behind people's desktops, it must be groundbreaking and powerful but at the same time it be clean and not disturb status quo! It must be ordered Mr D style and come down from the sky without anybody's hands getting dirty or normal lives being interrupted for a single day!

someone chatgpt this for a summary

 

[RedViking]

"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

/gets mugged and goes missing on table Mountain