Death penalty imposed as Uganda passes law making it a crime to identify as LGBTQ

Could we not have a revised version of the bible where the laws which don't count are excluded, and all the bad things like fathers offering their daughters to be raped are clearly marked as ' not really in the spirit of Christianity'.

[ It was Lot who offered up his daughters. Lot's wife then looked in the wrong direction and was instantly turned to salt, but god just said to Lot, "Be on your way my good man." ]
 
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daveza said:
Could we not have a revised version of the bible where the laws which don't count are excluded, and all the bad things like fathers offering their daughters to be raped are clearly marked as ' not really in the spirit of Christianity'.
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"The Beginning
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.…"

No. Get rid of all religions.

The Word was a man. Scandalous. What will the christians say. :eek:
 
daveza said:
Could we not have a revised version of the bible where the laws which don't count are excluded, and all the bad things like fathers offering their daughters to be raped are clearly marked as ' not really in the spirit of Christianity'.
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There are actually a few.

But what exactly would be the point of attempting to whitewash the bad things that happened? Especially when they are not in any way depicted as good things in the attacked text?

Would you lot then not be attacking Jews and Christians for doing just that because it's obviously dishonest?
 
rambo919 said:
There are actually a few.

But what exactly would be the point of attempting to whitewash the bad things that happened? Especially when they are not in any way depicted as good things in the attacked text?
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Personally I struggle to find the 'good thing' in all humanity, flora and fauna being wiped off the face of the earth except for one family - but that's just me.

As for removing the no-longer-laws, well at least cherry-picking would be obsolete.
 
dualmeister said:
More than 30 African countries, including Uganda, already ban same-sex relations. The new law appears to be the first to outlaw merely identifying as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer (LGBTQ), according to rights group Human Rights Watch.

Supporters of the new law say it is needed to punish a broader array of LGBTQ activities, which they say threaten traditional values in the conservative and religious East African nation.

In addition to same-sex intercourse, the law bans promoting and abetting homosexuality as well as conspiracy to engage in homosexuality.

Violations under the law carry severe penalties, including death for so-called aggravated homosexuality and life in prison for gay sex. Aggravated homosexuality involves gay sex with people under the age of 18 or when the perpetrator is HIV positive, among other categories, according to the law.

The legislation will be sent to President Yoweri Museveni to be signed into law.

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What can we do about this? Create a facebook group?
 
daveza said:
Personally I struggle to find the 'good thing' in all humanity, flora and fauna being wiped off the face of the earth except for one family - but that's just me.
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That's because you believe the myth that all creation is inherently good no matter how corrupted.

daveza said:
As for removing the no-longer-laws, well at least cherry-picking would be obsolete.
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No, such removals are all logically consistent with one another if you take the time to properly examine why, if it was cherry picking there would be no consistency.

First make sure you understand how these laws work, then understand why they were implemented, then you can start to understand what may or may not be valid to who. In fact whole books of law (might just be the one can't remember now) literally state in their introductions where and when they are applicable and in no way apply directly outside of that scope. The same is true for sections of law. People miss this because they only verse surf they don't read from front to back.

Don't think like a politician, think like a lawyer. It's really very simple for the vast majority, only a handful cause actual problems because they are more complex than they might appear.
 
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Anglican Archbishop Makgoba appeals to Ugandan president to abandon anti-gay hate bill

%%excerpt%% ‘We are all God’s children regardless of the dignity of our sexual differences’ said Anglican Archbishop Thabo Makgoba, in an appeal to Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni, to decline signing into law a bill that makes homosexual acts punishable by death.
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‘We are all God’s children regardless of the dignity of our sexual differences’ said Anglican Archbishop Thabo Makgoba, in an appeal to Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni, to decline signing into law a bill that makes homosexual acts punishable by death.
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Surely he must be wrong or at least misguided.

Shouldn't he be demanding death for these 'perverts'?
 
rambo919 said:
You really do seem oddly obsessed with pedophilia..... was it a priest or a nun that got to you?
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You are consumed with homosexuality - which in itself speaks volumes.

But if anything, probably some deranged evangelical preacher would be responsible.
Evangelicals - the most depraved flavour of "Christianity".
But then again, evangelicals cannot be regarded as real Christians
 
daveza said:
www.dailymaverick.co.za

Anglican Archbishop Makgoba appeals to Ugandan president to abandon anti-gay hate bill

%%excerpt%% ‘We are all God’s children regardless of the dignity of our sexual differences’ said Anglican Archbishop Thabo Makgoba, in an appeal to Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni, to decline signing into law a bill that makes homosexual acts punishable by death.
www.dailymaverick.co.za www.dailymaverick.co.za



Surely he must be wrong or at least misguided.

Shouldn't he be demanding death for these 'perverts'?
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™Not a real Christian
 
konfab said:
I have been an atheist for most of my life. A very hard atheist since a teenager (religion is stupid type of vibes)

What I can say has changed (from about 2014) is that I have started to understand religion a lot more, and have started seeing the value it brings to society.
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It absolutely brings value - it may not mean it's true or that there aren't better alternatives, but it does have value as a wheel for improving people. People find what works for them.
 
rambo919 said:
That's because you believe the myth that all creation is inherently good no matter how corrupted.
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So animals and toddlers are corrupt and must be destroyed.

The god who made everything in his own image couldn't just strike down the factory rejects?

Collective punishment is hardly ' the Christian way'.
 
Grant said:
You are consumed with homosexuality - which in itself speaks volumes.

But if anything, probably some deranged evangelical preacher would be responsible.
Evangelicals - the most depraved flavour of "Christianity".
But then again, evangelicals cannot be regarded as real Christians
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No, you are consumed by it.... you keep shoving it in everyone's faces and then claiming pigeon victory when they respond to the provocation.
 
rambo919 said:
No, you are consumed by it.... you keep shoving it in everyone's faces and then claiming pigeon victory when they respond to the provocation.
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Stop talking schit.
Provide a single example, just one - where I push or promote homosexuality on to others.
But let's make it real.
Provide an example & I'll vanish from the forum for a week. Fail to provide an example and you vanish.


You are the very poster boy, the embodiment of everything that is wrong about Christianity.
You are it's worst enemy.
 
daveza said:
So animals and toddlers are corrupt and must be destroyed.
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Not impossible, we don't know exactly what was meant by that. It could be regular corruption so bad that there was no other option left or it could be something genetic making them something other than fully human, this is still debated.

If it is the latter then it's being repeated with trans-humanism.... not to be confused with trans activism. Many suspect demonoid hybrids are either already or will soon be making a comeback.

Also... you place a great deal of value on animals when Biblically speaking they are far less valuable than humans.

We just don't have enough information to say anything conclusively though the evidence points heavily to mass genetic corruption of some sort including animals.

daveza said:
The god who made everything in his own image couldn't just strike down the factory rejects?
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Actually a flood was the perfect choice. It did the cleanup while leaving evidence still observable today. On the other hand you seem to be equating death with an ultimate end. If the children could be killed in a quick way before they were corrupted and sent straight to heaven would this not cause less suffering than slowly dying because their parents were taken out of the picture in an instant? How would a handful of people take care of many thousands of toddlers?

The narrative of the Bible is one of a God who progressively removes Himself so His creation can become independent, nowhere do you see a nanny god that micro manages everything in the smallest detail.

On the other hand.... what makes you think any mortal man has the capacity to know what is best given his obvious limitations nvm his limited brainpower?

daveza said:
Collective punishment is hardly ' the Christian way'.
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Not true, the Bible is full of it. The Judgement on Jerusalem was a collective punishment. The earth being destroyed in fire in the future will be a collective punishment. I am thinking massive solar storm.

Your first mistake is thinking it's either or when both individual judgement AND collective judgement is applied depending on the situation. Pick any story in the Bible and you will find both not just one. For example a whole kingdom is devastated, individuals are saved.

Your second mistake is thinking in materialistic terms about a spiritual universe where the physical plain is merely a lower dimension.

Just because something is not true right now does not mean it never was or never will be.
 
Grant said:
Stop talking schit.
Provide a single example, just one - where I push or promote homosexuality on to others.
But let's make it real.
Provide an example & I'll vanish from the forum for a week. Fail to provide an example and you vanish.


You are the very poster boy, the embodiment of everything that is wrong about Christianity.
You are it's worst enemy.
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Your repeated attempts to vilify any kind of resistance to homosexuality is de facto promotion of it.

You hate me personally because I am immune to your attempts at emotional blackmail, you cannot force me to agree with you so you try to force me to shut up instead.

And you literally do this same song and dance every Friday at about the same time (end of workweek) so what other than drunkenly belligerent am I supposed to think you are?
 
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