Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

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Mirai said:
The real fight will be over Belarus because that opens the way to Moscow. Most people there also want to be free of the Russian yoke.
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I'm no fan of messianic crusades. Russia keeping its paws off the territory of other countries would be enough for me in this matter.
First do not harm. And all that. They can figure it out themselves after that.
 
Matata said:
Russian state media still did not get the Xi putin agreement of no nuclear war. Someone please send them memo!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1639791055934570499

Some highlights of the show:


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And some other points that are too nasty to post of how they want to destroy other countries are also in the video.
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Obviously the show is made for the docile Russian public but wtf!? :D
 
ForceFate said:
Obviously the show is made for the docile Russian public but wtf!? :D
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they seem to repeat some mybb talking points too. If you listen in the video further you will hear the presenters talk about the satans. I won't spoil that for you, but I know you can read between the lines and see exactly what part is also being echoed in the forum. People can laugh at how ridiculous the stuff is on those channels but later those same talking points get distilled to sputnik and rt news networks and are sold as "neutral" , "rational", "objective", "multi faceted viewpoints", "factual", "critical thinker", "question everything" and people fall for it. For me it is interesting because they (rt and sputnik and affiliates that claim to be "free thinkers™") are exponentially more successful at deceiving people who label themselves rational, free thinkers™ and intelligent. People think cnn and msnbc (i don't even watch that) are good... wait till they find out how rt and sputnik has pulled their strings like a marionet operator. That being said EVERYONE is prone to biases including me and the person disagreeing with me right now while reading this. They are much more successful than cnn and msnbc ever could be. While we might laugh at the nonsense these state news, they create a narrative with such a different state of epistemology, axiology and metaphysics that some people see it as their own views and ways of thinking when it is not. Practical example was people denying the sinking of the moskova. That being said all countries have ways to do these things. Another example is how american companies have been using "behavioral economics" to force more consumer behaviour around the world. For those interested Adam Curtis covers this well with century of the self and the trap. Here is one example of how China succeeds in doing these things:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1639801934973378562

This article @Solarion mentioned about political technology last year is still relevant and it works https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...e-donbas-war/B06C4BD46E958A48F07C877EFECCB3A0 That article gives some points on how the string pulling works. Surkov's legacy is underestimated how well he has succeeded in creating a world that divides people.
 
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The Trutherizer said:
I'm no fan of messianic crusades. Russia keeping its paws off the territory of other countries would be enough for me in this matter.
First do not harm. And all that. They can figure it out themselves after that.
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What crusade? Is Ukraine a crusade? Belarus is just as oppressed as Russia but the people are more freedom leaning than pro-Big Russia. Belarus is of a higher strategic importance to Russia. Biden already included Belarus in the Western club with the new Iron Curtain running between Belarus/Ukraine and Russia.
 
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Attitudes towards democracy and the market in Belarus: what has changed and why it matters​

Félix Krawatzek
& Julia Langbein

Our analysis reveals a political and economic liberalization of Belarusian society over the last 10 years: as of late 2020, Belarusians are as market-friendly as in 2011, but they have become less supportive of state intervention in social issues over the past decade. Further, they are much more likely to mention liberal elements as central for democracy, while convictions that authoritarian elements are key to democratic forms of government have weakened. Put differently, people do not believe that the state can deliver what it has promised for so long and they have lost their illusions about the potential benefits of a strong interventionist state. They are, moreover, less inclined to give up political participation.

www.tandfonline.com

Attitudes towards democracy and the market in Belarus: what has changed and why it matters

For more than two decades a key pillar of regime stability in Belarus was legitimation through economic stability and security, prompting experts to speak of a “social contract” between the state a...
www.tandfonline.com
 
Blu82 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1639920870977073154
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These guys wear suits and ties, but so did the Nazis. To think there is a possibility that they wanted to approach the Ukrainians the way the Nazis and Soviet NKVD approached them is quite shocking-- then again who in the Russian government is condemming or apologising for the way the Soviet Union, headquartered at the Kremlin, behaved?
 
I thought this was a recent leaked letter, until I saw the date. This is how Russia plots/manipulates, their plans resemble that of a mafia organization planning their next crime and coverup.

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Wind Of Change - Ветер перемен

Wind Of Change - Ветер перемен - инсайд из РФ
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Letter: Letter 26.03.2022

- A blow to the positions of the authorities in Yerevan (capital of Armenia), which are considered extremely undesirable for the Kremlin.

Second scenario – a successful unmasking of the preparation of such terrorist attack by our security services. (Attack on an Orthodox church in Armenia, which would be planned by the FSB & then uncovered as the FSB). We don’t consider the Armenian security services to be professional (competent), [as was the assessment of the Ukrainian Armed forces until recently], so such an FSB success inside Armenian territory (“the FSB helped prevent a terrorist attack!”) could indebt Yerevan to Russia in terms of their participation within the CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organization, consisting of select post-Soviet states). And all the other named objectives, if not as assertively, could be achieved. (By preventing their own terrorist attack rather than actually committing the terrorist attack)

No matter what people think of the FSB, but it’s the FSB that is pursuing the 2nd option (they’d rather be seen as heroes that saved lives in foiling a terrorist attack instead of killing civilians in a terrorist attack). If the 1st option is chosen (by the Kremlin), the practical parts of the plan will be handled by the military rather than the FSB.
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Back in early 2022, yet some Russian shills here still stuck on the old narrative spun by the Kremlin.

- Reframe the “Russian war against Nazism” to an “international war to protect the (Christian) Orthodoxy” with a chance to widen the belt of support for Russia, including inside territories of hostile governments;
 
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