Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

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Dave said:
That NATO border is getting really close to St Petersburg and Moscow.

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A masterclass in how a foreign policy can fail so miserably.

Putin has enlarged the border with NATO beyond anyone's wildest expectations. Not even at the height of the Cold War, would Sweden and Finland budge towards NATO.

Putin has done more for NATO than any US President in the past 30 years.
 
Zukat said:
I agree with you, russians don't seem to be the most accurate shooters and it goes back to my first comment why not allow them to take the government over and avoid the casualties and cities being erased to the ground.

Outsiders say Russia/Georgia conflict was pathetic, but millions of people there who still have their families and homes and carry with their lives peacefully would have a different opinion on it.
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Idiot or troll?

Which one are you?
 
Zukat said:
Collateral damage is unfortunate occurrence of any military conflict or you really think that Russia wants to waste rockets on civilian buildings/cyclists? if so, i can't help you.



Apart from hearsay, please share where they "said so"?


Don't take bits and pieces out of my comment. I specifically mentioned at an individual level, obviously every world power is pursuing their political and economic influence.
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From the Russian TASS news agency, quoting the Russian Ambassador to the UN -

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Russia to return evacuated children to Ukraine when conditions safe, envoy assures

The issue of children "brought to Russia forcefully" is totally overblown, Vasily Nebenzya said
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Russia intends to return children who have been evacuated from the conflict zone to Ukraine when the conditions there are safe enough for that, Russia’s Permanent Representative to the UN Vasily Nebenzya said at a news conference on Monday.
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Note how they condition the return on "favourable" circumstances. Like a hostage negotiation.

Now that we can agree that Russia has kidnapped children, what would be the most effective way to prevent an invading force from kidnapping children? Can an AR-15 take out a T-90M Tank?
 
Zukat said:
What are you talking about? There was no intention to bring any civilian casualties, it was purely a blitzkrieg to seize power, if you watch some videos of the first days, you see how there was no offensive on civilians or infrastructure.
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I didn't intend to kill him, I just wanted to steal his money by holding a knife to his throat. :rolleyes:

This article was published just 2 weeks into the war:

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Николаев. Репортаж спецкора «Новой газеты» Елены Костюченко — Meduza

Корреспондент «Новой газеты» Елена Костюченко находится в Украине с самого начала российского вторжения. Из-за введения в России военной цензуры ее репортажи выходили в «Новой» с сокращениями, затем некоторые из них были удалены редакцией из-за угрозы уголовного преследования. 28 марта «Новая...
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Zukat said:
Oh yes, the leaked spy documents from unbiased "sunflower" source.
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They literally did that exact thing in Bucha, Irpin, and many other places.
 
HideInLight said:
When a report for misinformation succeeds, the twitter account is locked until they delete offending tweet. So it could be because of that also. Normally it takes months before the report is even looked at, but NAFO seems to have had a victory, or Russia decided to take the L, for their disgusting attempt.
Interesting how their UK embassy is going with the muslim angle, while mfa goes for the old Nazi narrative.
It's blatantly clear what they are trying to do, those leaked documents gave away quite a bit of their strategy.

Meanwhile Russia is sorry that their lies and deception wasn't good enough, they promise to put more effort into their lies :rolleyes:
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For me it is interesting how the internet has allowed normal people to question government authorities and the type information they spread in real time. If that RU MFA statement was a newpaper post in 1968 it would take perhaps weeks or multiple days for people to protest the disinformation that was published. I think the speed at what things happen with the internet has changed so much.
 
greg0205 said:
Idiot or troll?

Which one are you?
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Leaning more towards an idiot free thinker, who likes to explore alternatives that dont fit the narrative of the majority or maybe just this guy, but you wont understand so just keep that mask on and carry on.

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Zukat said:
We don't have enough information or actually evidence to draw conclusions on Bucha, so I wont comment as propaganda is strong on both sides. Im more looking at it holistically and Putin's narrative for Ukraine.
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There's mountains of information, you just choose to ignore it lest it spoil your man-love for Putin and his genocidal prowess.
 
Zukat said:
Leaning more towards an idiot free thinker, who likes to explore alternatives that dont fit the narrative of the majority or maybe just this guy, but you wont understand so just keep that mask on and carry on.

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The irony of you using that photo is quite laughable.

You are the one who is arguing that the country that gets invaded should sit down and let them take over.

Which is literally what the Nazis suggested to countries like the Czech Republic and Austria in 1938.

So here you have a photo of people saluting and supporting the country that invades countries and asks them to stand down to "save lives".

Remind me what you have been proposing Ukraine does and how that proposal aligns with what happened in Europe in 1938.

Once you have squared that circle of yours, remind me what happened in 1939?
 
Zukat said:
Leaning more towards an idiot free thinker, who likes to explore alternatives that dont fit the narrative of the majority or maybe just this guy, but you wont understand so just keep that mask on and carry on.

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Another "free thinker" who "explores alternative s that don't fit the majority narrative". It's as if you read the same script used by previous iterations of the free thinker bot.

Before you know it, they flood the boards with Kremlin propaganda.
 
Zukat said:
Leaning more towards an idiot free thinker, who likes to explore alternatives that dont fit the narrative of the majority or maybe just this guy, but you wont understand so just keep that mask on and carry on.

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Alternatives that don't fit the majority usually don't fit for a reason. And in case you missed it, just like today, the Nazi's were not the majority, despite what that picture would have you believe.
It's your choice if you wanna be an anti-humanitarian warmonger just like the Nazis were back in the day, but don't pretend that you're on the side of the good guy, or fool yourself into thinking that opposing common sense and compassion while repeating the talking points of fascists makes you a "free thinker".
 
Zukat said:
Collateral damage is unfortunate occurrence of any military conflict or you really think that Russia wants to waste rockets on civilian buildings/cyclists? if so, i can't help you.
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You are a joke

Russian has been using the vast majority of their rockets to target civilians and civilian infrastructure...
It isnt one orr 2 "mistakes"
 
ForceFate said:
Another "free thinker" who "explores alternative s that don't fit the majority narrative". It's as if you read the same script used by previous iterations of the free thinker bot.

Before you know it, they flood the boards with Kremlin propaganda.
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And because they wrap themselves in self inflicted ignorance they ignore or don't even know that we have dealt with their kind countless times. No new tactics or interesting approach... same script over and over.
 
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