Musk Proposes to Buy Twitter for Original Price of $54.20 a Share

[Kieppie]

Or verification check marks should just be verification checkmarks and let boosting/priority be given to advertisers as a paid service and marked as such. Much more sensible.

They can be verified and pay for the service at the same time.

No they won't. They'll go elsewhere.

Elsewhere? Like the mastodon fizzle? No, people are too use to Twitter, just like they are too use to YouTube.
It's the reason why so many alt tech platforms struggle.

 

[quovadis]

They can be verified and pay for the service at the same time.

No actual verification. That’s the point.

Elsewhere? Like the mastodon fizzle? No, people are too use to Twitter, just like they are too use to YouTube.
It's the reason why so many alt tech platforms struggle.

Twitter usage is down. They’ve gone elsewhere.

 

[Kieppie]

No actual verification. That’s the point.

Twitter usage is down. They’ve gone elsewhere.

Usage fluctuate. It had a massive dip prior to the whole Trump saga.
You can expect usage to increase now that he is centerstage again. At least until their next election.

The few that went elsewhere are insignificant in total percentage. It was insignificant back when they whole exodus to Mastedon spiel first started.
It's like claiming YouTube is going down because Rumble's usage is up.

Twitter's future rests on one thing and that's what features they'll add to stay competitive.

 

[quovadis]

Usage fluctuate. It had a massive dip prior to the whole Trump saga.
You can expect usage to increase now that he is centerstage again. At least until their next election.

OK so then its fluctuating downwards consistently. Meta is the stage for election related content now.

The few that went elsewhere are insignificant in total percentage. It was insignificant back when they whole exodus to Mastedon spiel first started.
It's like claiming YouTube is going down because Rumble's usage is up.

Mastodon was never a Twitter replacement but its where many have built specific communities. Not sure why you're even comparing Youtube to Rumble - that's like comparing Twitter to Mybroadband (no offence to MyBB). Twitter losing 8-9% of its user base isn't insignificant.

Twitter's future rests on one thing and that's what features they'll add to stay competitive.

No, it's future rests on the quality of users who drove interaction in the first place.

 

[Kieppie]

OK so then its fluctuating downwards consistently.

Nope. It was in a much, much worse state prior to the 2016 election and saw a massive resurgence.

Mastodon was never a Twitter replacement but its where many have built specific communities.

They sure tried to talk it up as such, pity it was too complicated for those users.

Not sure why you're even comparing Youtube to Rumble - that's like comparing Twitter to Mybroadband (no offence to MyBB). Twitter losing 8-9% of its user base isn't insignificant.

Merely because Rumble one of the newest up and coming platforms that are trying to compete with YouTube, but it is miniscule in comparison.
Where on earth do you get this nonsense of it losing almost 10% of it's userbase??

No, it's future rests on the quality of users who drove interaction in the first place.

Well the quality of those those "1 million who left", leaves much to be desired so no real loss on that front.

 

[quovadis]

Nope. It was in a much, much worse state prior to the 2016 election and saw a massive resurgence.

Merely because Rumble one of the newest up and coming platforms that are trying to compete with YouTube, but it is miniscule in comparison.
Where on earth do you get this nonsense of it losing almost 10% of it's userbase??

Well the quality of those those "1 million who left", leaves much to be desired so no real loss on that front.

So, in summary, Twitter metrics are down. Twitter isn't converting users to $8 users at any significant rate. The checkmark means nothing other than a paid subscriber. Winning

 

[ShaunSA]

OK so then its fluctuating downwards consistently. Meta is the stage for election related content now.

I haven't visited the Yanksville politics thread in a bit. I take it there will be plenty of Meta links in there now?

 

[Kieppie]

So, in summary, Twitter metrics are down. Twitter isn't converting users to $8 users at any significant rate. The checkmark means nothing other than a paid subscriber. Winning

Glad you dropped your 10% nonsense. It's still expected to grow. Trying to monetize that is a separate issue. Previous twitter would have had an even worse time of it.
Those bloviating about refusing to pay are irrelevant in the long run.

 

[quovadis]

Glad you dropped your 10% nonsense. It's still expected to grow. Trying to monetize that is a separate issue. Previous twitter would have had an even worse time of it.
Those bloviating about refusing to pay are irrelevant in the long run.

They lost 10% before Musk even closed the over-priced deal. The same trend is occurring to date. Half of Twitter's top advertisers have pulled out. Not looking good.

 

[Kieppie]

They lost 10% before Musk even closed the over-priced deal. The same trend is occurring to date.

No they did not. Do you even know how many users twitter has?
Perhaps you're confused and citing a spesific user sub group instead?

Half of Twitter's top advertisers have pulled out. Not looking good.

Yes the over reaction because someone bought the platform is frankly hilarious. Unsurprising really.
And no this isn't related to technical problems as these occurred prior to that.

 

[quovadis]

No they did not. Do you even know how many users twitter has?
Perhaps you're confused and citing a spesific user sub group instead?

Yes the over reaction because someone bought the platform is frankly hilarious. Unsurprising really.
And no this isn't related to technical problems as these occurred prior to that.

So your position is the revaluation of the Twitter deal has nothing to do with active users and the advertisers themselves? It's been revalued by over 50% because everything is on the up and up?

 

[Kieppie]

So your position is the revaluation of the Twitter deal has nothing to do with active users and the advertisers themselves? It's been revalued by over 50% because everything is on the up and up?

Yes the active users have very little if anything to do with the advertisers decision.

You claimed, without evidence, that the users dropped by 10% before Musk, and yet at that time advertisement was up.
The advertiser brouhaha happened after the Musk acquisition and before any technical issues.

So clearly their issue was more their perceived problem with Musk as opposed to any tangible issues.
Or if you want to be more generous the economic uncertainty resulting in companies, especially new advertisers, cutting back on expenditure.

 

[quovadis]

Yes the active users have very little if anything to do with the advertisers decision.

Funny, Musk seemed to be making that exact point at the stage he was trying to pull out?

You claimed, without evidence, that the users dropped by 10% before Musk, and yet at that time advertisement was up.
The advertiser brouhaha happened after the Musk acquisition and before any technical issues.

So clearly their issue was more their perceived problem with Musk as opposed to any tangible issues.
Or if you want to be more generous the economic uncertainty resulting in companies, especially new advertisers, cutting back on expenditure.

Twitter's revaluation is not perceived - it's fact.

 

[Kieppie]

Funny, Musk seemed to be making that exact point at the stage he was trying to pull out?

Twitter's revaluation is not perceived - it's fact.

You're deflecting away from the earlier nonsense you wrote...
Perhaps try and keep things in chronological order when you try to spin it.

 

[quovadis]

You're deflecting away from the earlier nonsense you wrote...
Perhaps try and keep things in chronological order when you try to spin it.

Nope. Explain the revaluation then?

 

[Kieppie]

Nope. Explain the revaluation then?

Yes let's put a pin in all the thumb-sucking numbers of yours for now...

The revaluation is irrelevant to the argument. Before the deal went through, many here pointed out that the company is overvalued. Funnily enough you had articles, and some posters here, saying he should be paying more
The release about twitter fudging the numbers, which forms the basis of the reevaluation, came out long before that though. In other words those advertising on twitter did not care about this fact. Neither did they care right up until the deal became more finalised.
If you do ad buys and you see an return on investment on such you continue doing so. The actual revaluation, which did not occur until some time after the purchase, could not factor into their decision making. Regardless, the reevaluation did not occur due to Musks purchase, but rather what was exposed later on. Now bear in mind that these things were already at play when the advertisers were apparently "happy" with the returns on their ad buys.

Considering all this and the rhetoric leading up to the purchase, it's safe to say that these decisions were ideological in nature coupled with the fact that the economy was on a downward spiral.

The only other legitimate reason for pulling ads is when the systems to do so becomes unavailable. This wasn't applicable at that point even if it may be true later on.

 

[quovadis]

Yes let's put a pin in all the thumb-sucking numbers of yours for now...

The revaluation is irrelevant to the argument. Before the deal went through, many here pointed out that the company is overvalued. Funnily enough you had articles, and some posters here, saying he should be paying more
The release about twitter fudging the numbers, which forms the basis of the reevaluation, came out long before that though. In other words those advertising on twitter did not care about this fact. Neither did they care right up until the deal became more finalised.
If you do ad buys and you see an return on investment on such you continue doing so. The actual revaluation, which did not occur until some time after the purchase, could not factor into their decision making. Regardless, the reevaluation did not occur due to Musks purchase, but rather what was exposed later on. Now bear in mind that these things were already at play when the advertisers were apparently "happy" with the returns on their ad buys.

Considering all this and the rhetoric leading up to the purchase, it's safe to say that these decisions were ideological in nature coupled with the fact that the economy was on a downward spiral.

The only other legitimate reason for pulling ads is when the systems to do so becomes unavailable. This wasn't applicable at that point even if it may be true later on.

What the heck are you going on about? The revaluation occurred because Musk has to value the transaction. That revaluation will undoubtedly have to do with a) revenue and b) potential revenue based on user growth. To pretend that everything is on the up and up is laughable. The advertisers reasons for abandoning twitter are irrelevant.

 

[Kieppie]

What the heck are you going on about? The revaluation occurred because Musk has to value the transaction. That revaluation will undoubtedly have to do with a) revenue and b) potential revenue based on user growth. To pretend that everything is on the up and up is laughable. The advertisers reasons for abandoning twitter are irrelevant.

Prior to the deal, and with everything known at that time, the value was put to be in line with the offer. Some upper limits even being above that.

Is Twitter Really Worth $46.5 Billion Dollars?

Elon Musk appears to have gotten cold feet about buying Twitter, and is now serving up the excuse that they are putting forth false statistics on user numbers, while offering up that 20% of their accounts are fake or spam versus the company’s claim they are under 5% despite Musk having no proof o...

www.forbes.com

So of course the baseless decisions by advertisers last year will factor in the new concerns over monetisation of Twitter.

You can't claim they pulled out due to the reevaluation or "user flight" when they are mostly the cause of it.

 

[quovadis]

Prior to the deal, and with everything known at that time, the value was put to be in line with the offer. Some upper limits even being above that.

Is Twitter Really Worth $46.5 Billion Dollars?

Elon Musk appears to have gotten cold feet about buying Twitter, and is now serving up the excuse that they are putting forth false statistics on user numbers, while offering up that 20% of their accounts are fake or spam versus the company’s claim they are under 5% despite Musk having no proof o...

www.forbes.com

So of course the baseless decisions by advertisers last year will factor in the new concerns over monetisation of Twitter.

You can't claim they pulled out due to the reevaluation or "user flight" when they are mostly the cause of it.

I see you miss the point. Again.

 

[Kieppie]

I see you miss the point. Again.

You started with so much nonsense that it's hard to remember what your actual point was supposed to be