Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

[tetrasect]

It's called culture. No different to Taliban.
ANDnd careful, your hatred is starting to show again.

Russian culture.

Sure there's plenty Pushkin statues in Russia that you can go visit.

 

[Mirai]

Russian culture.

Sure there's plenty Pushkin statues in Russia that you can go visit.

Would one classify the rape of Ukrainian civilians and decapitation of Ukrainian POWs as culture?

 

[tetrasect]

Would one classify the rape of Ukrainian civilians and decapitation of Ukrainian POWs as culture?

At this point, pretty much.

Saw tons of screenshots which I didn't wanna post here of Russian people rejoicing over it on social media.

Modern Russian "culture" is one of deceit, brutalism and savagery.

 

[Unhappy1]

Maybe if the Russian Military was a few days march from Kiev, but in the current situation, unlikely. SFO are very expensive to train, it would be like having a platoon of troops protecting a single toilet
Also, deployments of any SFO's are politically senstive.

Yeah, doubt highly it is actual SFO's

Don't forget a lot of very high profile people are constantly vising Kyiv, it wouldn't be completely unheard of to have some SOF there.

 

[ToxicBunny]

It's called culture. No different to Taliban.
ANDnd careful, your hatred is starting to show again.

If Ukraine was the only place that had those statues and they were all destroyed maybe I'd agree with you... In reality they aren't and them removing the statues does not diminish the standing or accessibility to pushkins works.

 

[rambo919]

Hence you should support Ukraine defending herself from these people as you describe with the uncivilised word. Who would want to be governed and policed by such people? Would you?

What I want or do not want is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

 

[sefeddt]

Outrageous that a country that does this chairs the UNSC.

If anything this will just make the Ukrainians more determined to kick Russia out.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646067913932132352

 

[Matata]

Don't forget a lot of very high profile people are constantly vising Kyiv, it wouldn't be completely unheard of to have some SOF there.

No no no no. We need to stick to hollywood narrative. The SOF are on supa secret mission and mainstream media is hiding it. No reality allowed comrade it must be like mission impossible movie or like those ncis tv series things. No boring or factual explantions allowed. Facts are inconvenient. Long live surkov comrade.

 

[Mirai]

What I want or do not want is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Well you're here so you do think your voice is relevant.

I'm not asking you to affect the war itself, but since you're engaging here, you may as well come to the conclusion that for Ukrainians it's just to not want to live under people who cut off soldiers' heads and rape babies.

 

[Mirai]

If Ukraine was the only place that had those statues and they were all destroyed maybe I'd agree with you... In reality they aren't and them removing the statues does not diminish the standing or accessibility to pushkins works.

Or maybe Pushkin is not as good as he is claimed to be. Maybe if you read his works you'd find a lot of polemical demagoguery.

You know, for some scholars and experts, maybe Goebbels' speeches are probably also worth preserving. Maybe even worth listening to and being taken by the power of the language. They could also be masterpieces.

 

[Mirai]

At this point, pretty much.

Saw tons of screenshots which I didn't wanna post here of Russian people rejoicing over it on social media.

Modern Russian "culture" is one of deceit, brutalism and savagery.

What Ukrainian Literature Has Always Understood About Russia

For centuries, Ukraine’s writers have—surreptitiously, brashly, satirically—fended off attempts to erase their national culture.

www.theatlantic.com

True.

 

[rambo919]

Being beheaded with a knife isn't brutal? There is a reason why Mexican cartels, ISIS and other deplorable extremist groups use it is a propaganda tool to intimidate and terrorise their enemies.

Yes, they are remorseless and and effective.... if it works and no one rises to stop it it gets used.

The cognitive dissonance is the pro-Russian crowd insisting Russia are on a moral crusade, saving oppressed people and eradicating political extremism, when they are in the field documenting their own war crimes for the world to see.

Here is the the thing, they are not being ideological and no one has ever accused them of being ideological.... you are interpreting it as being ideological. This particular threat of neo-nazis in Ukraine is a problem for them because instead of hating Jews these people hate Russians. They are being practical but dressing it up in ideology to better sell it.

We know they are little more than Tolkienian orcs and they just keep on proving it. Doesn't mean it must be treated with a derisory shrug of the shoulders.

It's outright hilarious how people are being openly racist here.... the same people generally that are often supposedly anti-racist.

And another aspect here is these savages have likely made life harder for their comrades, because the next batch of captured Russian soldiers may not be treated as well as Ukraine has been treating captives up until this point. Historical precedence is there as to how ones treatment of an enemy tends to come back and bite them hard.

No one is disputing that. This is probably an act of desperation more than of depravity.

 

[rambo919]

Well you're here so you do think your voice is relevant.

I'm not asking you to affect the war itself, but since you're engaging here, you may as well come to the conclusion that for Ukrainians it's just to not want to live under people who cut off soldiers' heads and rape babies.

To the problem itself? No my voice is irrelevant. To further a communal understanding (or at least my own) and learn for when this circus or something like it comes to SA.... yes there my voice is relevant.

 

[Mirai]

To the problem itself? No my voice is irrelevant. To further a communal understanding (or at least my own) and learn for when this circus or something like it comes to SA.... yes there my voice is relevant.

Your voice is relevant because you use it. You do think it is relevant. You post here.

Now instead of assuming some unconventional understanding of things, assume you're conversing in a normal cafe with others. You state something, others state something.

Do you think Ukrainians have a right to not want to be ruled by people who decapitate POWs?

 

[Mirai]

Yes, they are remorseless and and effective.... if it works and no one rises to stop it it gets used.


Here is the the thing, they are not being ideological and no one has ever accused them of being ideological.... you are interpreting it as being ideological. This particular threat of neo-nazis in Ukraine is a problem for them because instead of hating Jews these people hate Russians. They are being practical but dressing it up in ideology to better sell it.

Ukrainians hate the people who invade them. If the French were invading them, they'd hate them. It's a normal human response.

It's outright hilarious how people are being openly racist here.... the same people generally that are often supposedly anti-racist.

I don't know how one can be racist. Is Russian aggressor a race?

No one is disputing that. This is probably an act of desperation more than of depravity.

Could be both. False dilemma.

 

[rambo919]

Your voice is relevant because you use it. You do think it is relevant. You post here.

Now instead of assuming some unconventional understanding of things, assume you're conversing in a normal cafe with others. You state something, others state something.

Small talk? Does not seem like a small talk subject.

Do you think Ukrainians have a right to not want to be ruled by people who decapitate POWs?

That is a very odd way of structuring a sentence..... and it's an extremely loaded question.

No sir, I have never beaten my wife.

 

[rambo919]

Ukrainians hate the people who invade them. If the French were invading them, they'd hate them. It's a normal human response.

Yes and? They already hated the Russians before or the civil war would not have started.

I don't know how one can be racist. Is Russian aggressor a race?

Oh ok you subscribe to the only those with power can be racist woke nonsense?

Could be both. False dilemma.

Not a dilemma since I never said it was not depraved.... read what I wrote again. I suppose half the trouble here is I tend to write concisely often carrying multiple contrasting but non-contradictory meanings in a single sentence.... and the audience as it is cherry picks meaning.

 

[Mirai]

Small talk? Does not seem like a small talk subject.

No small talk. Ordinary talk. Don't impute unconventional adjectives here.

That is a very odd way of structuring a sentence..... and it's an extremely loaded question.

It's not a loaded question. It's a straightforward question. It reflects 100s of years of history and what's happening now. It didn't happen to you or yours, but it happened to mine.

A force has invaded a country. Has killed civilians and repeatedly killed POWs, including by decapitating them. Would one want to be ruled by such people? I would not. Would you want to be ruled by such people?

No sir, I have never beaten my wife.

 

[rambo919]

No small talk. Ordinary talk. Don't impute unconventional adjectives here.

You brought up cafe's... never actually been to one but I assume no one does any serious discussion in such a venue.

It's not a loaded question. It's a straightforward question. It reflects 100s of years of history and what's happening now. It didn't happen to you or yours, but it happened to mine.

Nah, mine was just starved to death. The invaders were too civilized to dirty their hands with the blood of woman and children. I really have no high regard for the pretensions of the civilized.

A force has invaded a country. Has killed civilians and repeatedly killed POWs, including by decapitating them. Would one want to be ruled by such people? I would not. Would you want to be ruled by such people?

Irrelevant since Russia is not seeking direct rule of Ukrainians. Now if they actually tried doing that it would be a different story.

 

[Mirai]

Yes and? They already hated the Russians before or the civil war would not have started.

This is not a civil war. The Russians invaded. Russians are not Ukrainians. It's not one country fighting.

I don't know about hatred. Before 2014 relations were good. It seems that taking Crimea back and so on, upset the Ukrainians. There were other events in history where Ukrainian women and children got the raw deal of Russian political experiments, eg Holodomor.

Oh ok you subscribe to the only those with power can be racist woke nonsense?

Russian aggressor is not a race. White is a race.

Not a dilemma since I never said it was not depraved.... read what I wrote again. I suppose half the trouble here is I tend to write concisely often carrying multiple contrasting but non-contradictory meanings in a single sentence.... and the audience as it is cherry picks meaning.

It can be depraved and an act of desperation. Who put these people into such a situation then? Did the people who put the there also face desperation? Is this a last stand? Are we dealing with the Swiss Guard defending Pope Clement VII against Spaniards and German mercenaries in a last stand or are we dealing with a war which Russia did not have to start?