Traces of explosives found at Nord Stream pipelines, confirming 'gross sabotage,' Sweden says

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Force Majeure cannot be declared before the event that causes the unforeseen breach of contract

jesus christ do you EVER research something before having a comically wrong opinion on it?!?

force majeure was not declared for the explosions, it was declared long before the explosions due to sanctions that prevented maintenance to be carried out on the pipeline

there was already no contractual obligation or penalty clauses in play, your nonsense of clinging to that being a motivation to blow up the pipeline is just that: nonsense

 

[ToxicBunny]

We can develop your theory.

They also secretly used a decommissioned minesweeper from a scrapyard, loaded it on the USS Kearsarge and had a P8 drop a torpedo while a yacht acted as a decoy.

All are garnered from the theories postulated so far.

Those were all decoys, and they used the Kursk... it blowing up was a long con from the rogue operators.

 

[ToxicBunny]

jesus christ do you EVER research something before having a comically wrong opinion on it?!?

force majeure was not declared for the explosions, it was declared long before the explosions due to sanctions that prevented maintenance to be carried out on the pipeline

there was already no contractual obligation or penalty clauses in play, your nonsense of clinging to that being a motivation to blow up the pipeline is just that: nonsense

Are you referring to the Force Majeure that was claimed sometime in July out of interest?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Are you referring to the Force Majeure that was claimed sometime in July out of interest?

probably? didn't exactly memorise the date ... Google says July yes:

Exclusive: Russia's Gazprom tells European buyers gas supply halt beyond its control

Russia's Gazprom has told customers in Europe it cannot guarantee gas supplies because of "extraordinary" circumstances, according to a letter seen by Reuters, upping the ante in an economic tit-for-tat with the West over Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

www.reuters.com

 

[ghaye]

jesus christ do you EVER research something before having a comically wrong opinion on it?!?

force majeure was not declared for the explosions, it was declared long before the explosions due to sanctions that prevented maintenance to be carried out on the pipeline

there was already no contractual obligation or penalty clauses in play, your nonsense of clinging to that being a motivation to blow up the pipeline is just that: nonsense

Yes force majeure was claimed around 19 July backdated to 14 June when they cut back their supply to 40%. But claiming it and making it stick legally are two different things.

 

[ToxicBunny]

probably? didn't exactly memorise the date ... Google says July yes:

Exclusive: Russia's Gazprom tells European buyers gas supply halt beyond its control

Russia's Gazprom has told customers in Europe it cannot guarantee gas supplies because of "extraordinary" circumstances, according to a letter seen by Reuters, upping the ante in an economic tit-for-tat with the West over Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

www.reuters.com

Then that didn't relate to Nord Stream 2. So maybe you should google **** before you fly off the handle..
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Smacks of your Pasteur stance.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Yes force majeure was claimed around 19 July backdated to 14 June when they cut back their supply to 40%. But claiming it and making it stick legally are two different things.

it was never challenged legally, no need to blow stuff up when that avenue was there to be tried

Then that didn't relate to Nord Stream 2. So maybe you should google **** before you fly off the handle..
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Smacks of your Pasteur stance.

NS2 was never certified to operate, so again: no obligation to deliver a damn thing through it

how's that egg look on your face working out for you?

 

[ToxicBunny]

it was never challenged legally, no need to blow stuff up when that avenue was there to be tried


NS2 was never certified to operate, so again: no obligation to deliver a damn thing through it

how's that egg look on your face working out for you?

That doesn't actually necessarily stop the being hit on the non-delivery clauses if the certification process is held up artficially... but then its not really a surprise that you may not understand how these processes actually work when you're talking billions of dollars...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

That doesn't actually necessarily stop the being hit on the non-delivery clauses if the certification process is held up artficially...

in English perhaps?

there was no obligation to do anything via a pipeline that legally was not allowed to operate, period

after declaring force majeure there was also no obligation to deliver anything via the only pipeline that was legally allowed to operate, period

citing that as a shroom inspired fever dream motive for Russia to blow up its own multi-billion dollar investment is ridiculous, dismissed seeing as it is absurd

 

[ToxicBunny]

in English perhaps?

there was no obligation to do anything via a pipeline that legally was not allowed to operate, period

after declaring force majeure there was also no obligation to deliver anything via the only pipeline that was legally allowed to operate, period

citing that as a shroom inspired fever dream motive for Russia to blow up its own multi-billion dollar investment is ridiculous, dismissed seeing as it is absurd

You are aware that certification processes are time blocked, and unless there is an real certification issue that impacts that time frame, non-delivery clauses can come into effect, since companies will have secured supply contracts etc based on future capacity being available from x date, etc.

And actual certification issues would usually relate to the construction of the pipeline, and those non-delivery clauses and associated penalties will be handed over to the construction companies to fulfil.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

You are aware that certification processes are time blocked, and unless there is an real certification issue that impacts that time frame, non-delivery clauses can come into effect, since companies will have secured supply contracts etc based on future capacity being available from x date, etc.

are you aware that Germany blocked the certification from week one of the war?

the main customer of the service was instrumental in delaying the certification, in what upside down world do you think they would be able to get compensated by Russia for not delivering when it was the one delaying?

 

[ToxicBunny]

are you aware that Germany blocked the certification from week one of the war?

the main customer of the service was instrumental in delaying the certification, in what upside down world do you think they would be able to get compensated by Russia for not delivering when it was the one delaying?

No I'm not aware, cos I couldn't give 2 flying fscks about it, but I do find it fun watching you froth at the mouth.

You do seem to care that your beloved Vlad may have potentially had a hand in blowing it up and then you will have to spin your wheels to find some retarded way to blame it on the USA again.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

No I'm not aware, cos I couldn't give 2 flying fscks about it, but I do find it fun watching you froth at the mouth.

at least you admit your ignorance on the topic, so slowly now: Russia was already under no obligation to supply gas via NS (both 1 and 2) before the pipeline explosions

it cannot be their motivation for blowing it up, you would need to conjure a more believable motive seeing as that one is entirely absurd

and there really isn't any believable motive on their part anyway

You do seem to care that your beloved Vlad may have potentially had a hand in blowing it up and then you will have to spin your wheels to find some retarded way to blame it on the USA again.

I don't need to do anything, the US' desperate "some pro-Ukraine group did it" narrative is unravelling all on its own, and the entire world was already laughing at their "Russia did it" narrative

 

[ToxicBunny]

Of course there are believable motives on their part, just like there are for the USA as well...

(See, its amazing, I can actually quite easily accept that the USA had a hand in it, but the more believable scenario would be Russia in my opinion for a variety of reasons).

 

[Cosmik Debris]

force majeure was not declared for the explosions, it was declared long before the explosions due to sanctions that prevented maintenance to be carried out on the pipeline

When you answer, please have the decency to provide counter arguments using references to refute what I say here. The maintenance was done by the German company Siemens. Russia refused them access to maintain the turbines.

Siemens Energy CEO Christian Bruch said Monday that there is no technical justification for Russia to refuse the delivery of a turbine for the key Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline. His comments come ...

Deadlock with Russia over Nord Stream gas turbine is not our fault, Siemens Energy CEO says

The Kremlin has cut gas supplies to Europe via the Nord Stream 1 pipeline to just a fifth of its capacity.

www.cnbc.com

That was what resulted in the penalties being imposed.

The pipeline exploded after the gas volume to Europe had been decreased significantly too, resulting in penalties being imposed:

MOSCOW, July 25 (Reuters) - Russia tightened its gas squeeze on Europe on Monday as Gazprom (GAZP.MM) said supplies through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline to Germany would drop to just 20% of capacity ...

Russia's Gazprom tightens squeeze on gas flow to Europe

Russia tightened its gas squeeze on Europe on Monday as Gazprom said supplies through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline to Germany would drop to just 20% of capacity.

www.reuters.com

No ability to supply the gas because of the destruction invokes the Force Majeure clause

If Nord Stream is shut down suddenly through "force majeure," a sudden uncontrollable stop that is the fault of neither party, then Russia can void its obligations toward European stakeholders ...

Russia’s Purported Sabotage Of The Nord Stream Pipeline Marks A Point Of No Return

This is not the first time the Russians have transparently lied about energy infrastructure damage to weaponize their energy resources or geographical position as a transit country.

www.forbes.com

 

[Cosmik Debris]

NS2 was never certified to operate, so again: no obligation to deliver a damn thing through it

Yet you have claimed before that certification is a mere formality when I argued how extensive certification is as an engineering process.

Which would you like to state now?

 

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When you answer, please have the decency to provide counter arguments using references to refute what I say here. The maintenance was done by the German company Siemens. Russia refused them access to maintain the turbines.

wrong, you didn't even read your own source, see below:

Siemens Energy CEO Christian Bruch said Monday that there is no technical justification for Russia to refuse the delivery of a turbine for the key Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline. His comments come ...

Siemens saying delivery was refused, not "access" by the way, and it was refused on the grounds that sanctions prevented the normal chain of delivery to be followed, which IS the technical justification

That was what resulted in the penalties being imposed.

none were ever imposed or paid, where do you get that BS from?!?

The pipeline exploded after the gas volume to Europe had been decreased significantly too, resulting in penalties being imposed

again this BS: no penalties were imposed or paid, you pretending differently does not make it reality

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Yet you have claimed before that certification is a mere formality when I argued how extensive certification is as an engineering process.

Which would you like to state now?

have you ever met a handle you couldn't fly off on, in the wrong direction I might add?

yes it is a mere formality, that doesn't mean any gas will be allowed to flow without that formality being in place, it has nothing at all to do with "how extensive" or not the process is

 

[Cosmik Debris]

there was no obligation to do anything via a pipeline that legally was not allowed to operate, period

And, I state again, you said certification of NS2 was a mere formality. So why not perform the formality and get on with delivering gas then?

You should remember your lies, they tend to catch you.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

are you aware that Germany blocked the certification from week one of the war?

the main customer of the service was instrumental in delaying the certification, in what upside down world do you think they would be able to get compensated by Russia for not delivering when it was the one delaying?

So, you blame Germany because Russia started a war after decreasing gas to Europe to try to squeeze Europe to not support Ukraine?