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ponder said:
Taking a wild guess here but Orania is private property thus the covering of a firearm in public does not apply?
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It's a complex issue and depends on circumstances:

South Africa’s Complex Firearm Landscape: Understanding the Law​

South Africa’s firearm laws are among the strictest in the world, designed to curb gun violence and maintain public safety. Understanding the nuances of the Firearms Control Act 60 of 2000 (FCA) is crucial for anyone considering firearm ownership, especially regarding concealed carry.

Can You Carry a Concealed Weapon in South Africa? The Definitive Guide​

No, carrying a concealed weapon in South Africa is generally illegal without the proper legal framework in place, which includes holding a valid competency certificate, firearm license specifically endorsed for self-defence, and adhering to stringent regulations. Violations can result in severe penalties, including fines and imprisonment.

The ‘Self-Defence’ License and Concealed Carry​

Even with a license specifically for self-defence (Section 13 or 16 of the FCA), carrying the firearm concealed is not automatically permitted. The license may stipulate restrictions on where and how the firearm can be carried. Furthermore, even if not explicitly stated, prudent practice mandates concealed carry be done in a responsible and discreet manner. Overtly displaying a firearm, even legally, can lead to unnecessary confrontations and potentially be considered reckless.

FAQ 2: Can I carry a firearm openly if I have a license?​

The FCA does not explicitly prohibit open carry in all circumstances. However, it is generally not advisable and can attract unwanted attention from law enforcement and the public. Furthermore, certain licenses may stipulate specific conditions regarding how the firearm must be carried. Overtly displaying a firearm could also be construed as intimidation or reckless behavior.

FAQ 3: What are the penalties for carrying a concealed weapon without a license?​

Carrying a concealed weapon without a valid license is a serious offense in South Africa. Penalties can include significant fines, a criminal record, and imprisonment. The specific penalties will depend on the circumstances of the offense and the discretion of the court.

thegunzone.com

Can you carry a concealed weapon in South Africa? | [January Updated]

Can You Carry a Concealed Weapon in South Africa? The Definitive Guide No, carrying a concealed weapon in South Africa is generally illegal without the proper legal framework in place, which includes holding a valid competency certificate, firearm license specifically endorsed for self-defence...
thegunzone.com thegunzone.com
 
Mariner said:
I've been to a braai on a farm where many farmers were in attendance. Every male was carrying. Nobody saw it as unusual and nobody even mentioned anything about it. It was just a natural, everyday part of their existence.
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As it should be, considering it is perfectly 100% legal and within one’s rights.

Open carrying in public is generally not considered a good idea though, since it may attract the wrong kind of attention. But as long as you have the correct license and comply with all safety protocols, then I don’t see the issue.

In my line of work, seeing firearms being openly carried also generally doesn’t raise any eyebrows. But when I go to the mall, or the bank etc, it’s concealed carry all the way
 
Mariner said:
It's a complex issue and depends on circumstances:

South Africa’s Complex Firearm Landscape: Understanding the Law​

South Africa’s firearm laws are among the strictest in the world, designed to curb gun violence and maintain public safety. Understanding the nuances of the Firearms Control Act 60 of 2000 (FCA) is crucial for anyone considering firearm ownership, especially regarding concealed carry.

Can You Carry a Concealed Weapon in South Africa? The Definitive Guide​

No, carrying a concealed weapon in South Africa is generally illegal without the proper legal framework in place, which includes holding a valid competency certificate, firearm license specifically endorsed for self-defence, and adhering to stringent regulations. Violations can result in severe penalties, including fines and imprisonment.

The ‘Self-Defence’ License and Concealed Carry​

Even with a license specifically for self-defence (Section 13 or 16 of the FCA), carrying the firearm concealed is not automatically permitted. The license may stipulate restrictions on where and how the firearm can be carried. Furthermore, even if not explicitly stated, prudent practice mandates concealed carry be done in a responsible and discreet manner. Overtly displaying a firearm, even legally, can lead to unnecessary confrontations and potentially be considered reckless.

FAQ 2: Can I carry a firearm openly if I have a license?​

The FCA does not explicitly prohibit open carry in all circumstances. However, it is generally not advisable and can attract unwanted attention from law enforcement and the public. Furthermore, certain licenses may stipulate specific conditions regarding how the firearm must be carried. Overtly displaying a firearm could also be construed as intimidation or reckless behavior.

FAQ 3: What are the penalties for carrying a concealed weapon without a license?​

Carrying a concealed weapon without a valid license is a serious offense in South Africa. Penalties can include significant fines, a criminal record, and imprisonment. The specific penalties will depend on the circumstances of the offense and the discretion of the court.

thegunzone.com

Can you carry a concealed weapon in South Africa? | [January Updated]

Can You Carry a Concealed Weapon in South Africa? The Definitive Guide No, carrying a concealed weapon in South Africa is generally illegal without the proper legal framework in place, which includes holding a valid competency certificate, firearm license specifically endorsed for self-defence...
thegunzone.com thegunzone.com
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Not to sure where that website got their information from, but a lot of it, is incorrect and unnecessarily confusing, IMO.


There's no concealed carry in South Africa, the FCA states the firearm should be completely covered when in public, also the inside of your vehicle is not a public space, for example it must be in a holster, bag, container completely covered (not concealed) meaning you can have it on your waistline in a OWB (outside the waistband) holster as long as your shirt, jacket, clothing etc covers the firearm completely, or have it in a slingbag, backpack, handbag, satchel etc. when in public.

Open carry is illegal in a South African context when you are in public, just because you've seen it in a public space doesn't necessarily make it legal, it's just not being enforced, again your property, farm, inside of your vehicle is not a public space.


There's no different stipulations on how a section 13, 15 or 16 etc should be carried, as mentioned above, if in public, then it must be completely covered and in a "holder" to hold the firearm, regardless of the section it has been licensed under.
Furthermore in South Africa hollow point ammunition is legal, basically if you can purchase it at a gunshop then it is legal to carry and also "one up" (round in chamber) is legal, there's no restrictions on magazine capacity, or having a spare magazine and you can carry your handgun on you for self-defence regardless of the section it was licensed under, that would constitute the "Lawful Use Clause" as self-defence is an lawful act.



There are no endorsements for a self-defence licenses, you apply for a Section 13 license which is a self-defence licence, you can only have a handgun or pump action shotgun licensed under Section 13, and only one (1) firearm under this section, you would require to provide a comprehensive motivation, as with all other sections. With this section you are restricted to 200 rounds of ammunition per calibre, can only have a maximum of 2400 primers, and also 600 grams of propellant per license, and the maximum is 2.4 kilograms.


The other most common Sections are Section 15 and 16, we will get to S16, Section 15 which is either an occasional sport / hunting license, which simply means that you don't have to belong to a club, association, organisation or proof that you regularly participate in shooting activities. Under this section (S15) you have four (4) available slots, however you can only license one (1) handgun, and you cannot license any semi-auto rifle or shotgun, as an example you can license a handgun, pump action shotgun, and two bolt action rifles.
With this section you are restricted to 200 rounds of ammunition per calibre, can only have a maximum of 2400 primers, and also 600 grams of propellant per license, and the maximum is 2.4 kilograms.


Section 16 which is a dedicated sport/ hunter license, unlike section 15, you would need to be a member of an association, and record your shooting activities throughout the year. Under this section (S16) there's no limit to the amount of firearms you are allowed to own or type of firearm, like the semi-auto rifle or shotgun as with section 15, if you are able to motivate and obtain an endorsement from your association for the need of said firearm there shouldn't be a problem of owning that firearm. There's also no limit on the amount of ammunition you are allowed to own as long as you have a license in that calibre, same goes for primers, however not propellant one (1) license is valid for 600 grams of propellant and the maximum amount on your premises is 2.4 kilograms at a time.

You don't need any permits or additional licenses to reload, if you have a licensed firearm in that calibre you can privately reload for that calibre, however as mentioned above S13 & S15 have restrictions on the amounts of components you can hold at any given time, there's no restrictions on bullets or brass (casings) any person can purchase them at anytime, or pick them up from a shooting range if they wish.


There's no restrictions, limitations or regulations on suppressors, scopes, grips, butt stocks, optics, magazines, rifle furniture, rails, mounts, holsters, cleaning equipment, bullet proof vests, plate carriers, weapon mounted lights, lasers, red dots, belts, pouches, reloading equipment, triggers, dies, targets or spare parts like springs, so if you have a friend, family member who's into firearms there's a plethora of items you can purchase for him or her as a gift.

:p 😉:)


Of course I've not mentioned and covered every minute detail.

I've mentioned the most common misconceptions, sections, myths and all round "braai stories" that always do the rounds.
 
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Mariner said:
I've been to a braai on a farm where many farmers were in attendance. Every male was carrying. Nobody saw it as unusual and nobody even mentioned anything about it. It was just a natural, everyday part of their existence.
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Yes because it was on a farm, which is not a public space, it is private property so in that context it is perfectly legal, but not when you are in public, open carry is not permitted in South Africa, nor is concealed carry, the law gives a definition of "completely covered" which means the firearm should be completely covered, and in a holster, container, bag, device which holds it, meaning you cannot stick / carry your handgun in your jacket or trouser pocket without a "holder" which it attaches to.
 
Power struggles and cameras are going to be part of any society (except in Lexistan of course...)

They've done well, may do better again, or others may better follow in their footsteps
Viva Orania !! :cool::cool:


p.s.: Vote for WC secession
 
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