Israel says it has launched attack on Iran, as explosions reported in Tehran

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The "religious" aspects of this war by Israel should not be underestimated.

As nuts as that sounds, when everything about the war doesn't make sense and those who started it cannot offer a sensible explanation ,then expect that there might actually be none!!!!

It's all rooted in something so insane that hardly anyone would consider it
 
Wut said:
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If you don't get rid of your munitions, your buddies contracts won't get renewed.

I recall stories about SAn defense personnel, burned through high calibre munitions after the end of hostilities in Angola. A Rmillion a pop.... like letting off fireworks.

War is like a green light for a giant criminal orgy, on so many fronts. Murder, rape, theft/plunder. This is true ofc in a very literal sense See this stat, for example:

Over the course of the war in Afghanistan (2001-2021), 24% of U.S. women service members and 1.9% of men experienced sexual assault.

~ cost of war project
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That is ****ing insane!

It also makes sense, sadly, with those levels of artificially imposed levels of abstention.

The financial and human/societal costs of war are horrendous, See here for a list of other findings....

Findings

costsofwar.watson.brown.edu costsofwar.watson.brown.edu
 
Thousands of aircraft are preserved, sealed, and kept in a "mothballed" state for potential future use.
Parts Reclamation (Cannibalization): Rather than destroying them, technicians strip functional parts, engines, and avionics from these planes to keep active, flying squadrons operational.
Reactivation: Aircraft, such as B-52 bombers or F-16 fighters, are sometimes brought back into active service after being stored for years.
Conversion to Drones: Some retired fighter jets are converted into unmanned aerial targets for testing and training
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Yes, how silly to bomb the boneyard 😂
 
Alexander the Straight said:
The "religious" aspects of this war by Israel should not be underestimated.

As nuts as that sounds, when everything about the war doesn't make sense and those who started it cannot offer a sensible explanation ,then expect that there might actually be none!!!!

It's all rooted in something so insane that hardly anyone would consider it
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Here's my theory....

I think it boils down to the adoption of the presumption of what you might call hyper (Biological) materialism. That's where an individual doesn't have the answer as to the origins of mankind as a species, and because he has bad feelings about religion/the unseen, he opts for materialism as a catch-all... where everything can be understood in the context of the physical universe. Including his own abilities.

It amounts to a serious self-imposed limitation, tho'. Which he then proceeds to attempt to impose on everyone else i.e especially his betters, those who are capable of excelling purely by assuming they are not bound by genetics and statistics and physical environment, tho' that realm does affect him to some degree.

So... that's what I see. He reduces everything down to biology/genetics, and the external physical environment in which biological units are affected. It's a world of chaos, and knock-on effects. There is no real cause.

This puts any disadvantage he has, compared to his human betters, outside of his control. And that, is very, very... VERY unfair. This is where the internal justification for using the State as a violent means of leveling the playing field comes from.

What I'm describing here, is true for every criminal that ever lived, whether or not they were ever incarcerated. Because you can get very far with this mindset if you grant yourself legal exemption from your actions... by joining the ranks of the State, in some way.... including becoming a crony(the most successful of which are 'PPP's... public-private-partnerships).

To convince this person otherwise, is a task almost always ending in failure. An exercise in futility. Because the original assumption remains unshaken. If you can introduce a level of safety that enables him to self-reflect.... that is your best chance. The 2nd best chance is to recognize this person's limitations, and accordingly to keep your distance.

The problem for the rest of us is that, in this condition, these guys 'n gals defer to authority for all of their direction, in life. There is no individual responsibility for decision-making, or moral judgement, in who they associate with and who they refrain from associating with.

This accounts for, for example, people on mybb who can't see the bigger picture, and simply revert to Argument by Authority even when it turns out you are correct. They cannot afford the luxury of self-reflection or criticism. Very frustrating, But to them, the truth can only come via the State(through decreed experts).

That's why I say, the only real solution - in the absence of some super-human skills to challenge and unseat that prior assumption - occurs when the relatively able threaten credibly to secede i.e. to withdraw support, from destructive people and groups.

It appears to be the only thing/approach that has ever worked in favor of human beings' survival potential.

Just my 2 cents.
 
lexity said:
Here's my theory....

I think it boils down to the adoption of the presumption of what you might call hyper (Biological) materialism. That's where an individual doesn't have the answer as to the origins of mankind as a species, and because he has bad feelings about religion/the unseen, he opts for materialism as a catch-all... where everything can be understood in the context of the physical universe. Including his own abilities.

It amounts to a serious self-imposed limitation, tho'. Which he then proceeds to attempt to impose on everyone else i.e especially his betters, those who are capable of excelling purely by assuming they are not bound by genetics and statistics and physical environment, tho' that realm does affect him to some degree.

So... that's what I see. He reduces everything down to biology/genetics, and the external physical environment in which biological units are affected. It's a world of chaos, and knock-on effects. There is no real cause.

This puts any disadvantage he has, compared to his human betters, outside of his control. And that, is very, very... VERY unfair. This is where the internal justification for using the State as a violent means of leveling the playing field comes from.

What I'm describing here, is true for every criminal that ever lived, whether or not they were ever incarcerated. Because you can get very far with this mindset if you grant yourself legal exemption from your actions... by joining the ranks of the State, in some way.... including becoming a crony(the most successful of which are 'PPP's... public-private-partnerships).

To convince this person otherwise, is a task almost always ending in failure. An exercise in futility. Because the original assumption remains unshaken. If you can introduce a level of safety that enables him to self-reflect.... that is your best chance. The 2nd best chance is to recognize this person's limitations, and accordingly to keep your distance.

The problem for the rest of us is that, in this condition, these guys 'n gals defer to authority for all of their direction, in life. There is no individual responsibility for decision-making, or moral judgement, in who they associate with and who they refrain from associating with.

This accounts for, for example, people on mybb who can't see the bigger picture, and simply revert to Argument by Authority even when it turns out you are correct. They cannot afford the luxury of self-reflection or criticism. Very frustrating, But to them, the truth can only come via the State(through decreed experts).

That's why I say, the only real solution - in the absence of some super-human skills to challenge and unseat that prior assumption - occurs when the relatively able threaten credibly to secede i.e. to withdraw support, from destructive people and groups.

It appears to be the only thing/approach that has ever worked in favor of human beings' survival potential.

Just my 2 cents.
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I think that you've put into words what many many people know or instinctively feel, without necessarily being able to articulate.

At some deeper level we're witnessing the battle between delusion and reality here.
 
Some of your fellow human beings you are better off treating as a technical problem, not an intellectual one.
 
High thinking or enlightened people will naturally gravitate towards supporting righteousness.

For me personally it's not so much support for Iran as it is an understanding or fear of what a win for America & Israel means for all of humanity.
Iran is nothing more than who they've chosen to pick on this time.
 
Alexander the Straight said:
High thinking or enlightened people will naturally gravitate towards supporting righteousness.

For me personally it's not so much support for Iran as it is an understanding or fear of what a win for America & Israel means for all of humanity.
Iran is nothing more than who they've chosen to pick on this time.
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So where do you differ in world view, with Young Chicken (excuse the transliteration)?

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Alexander the Straight said:
High thinking or enlightened people will naturally gravitate towards supporting righteousness.

For me personally it's not so much support for Iran as it is an understanding or fear of what a win for America & Israel means for all of humanity.
Iran is nothing more than who they've chosen to pick on this time.
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IAEA had one simple request: show us what you have. Iran had 1 thing to do to adhere to international law. They chose to ignore.

International law does not care about morality or righteousness, it cares about maintaining safety and security for all.

This whole moral good vs evil thing you have going belongs in PD. The world does not work like this. It never has.
 
Solarion said:
IAEA had one simple request: show us what you have. Iran had 1 thing to do to adhere to international law. They chose to ignore.

International law does not care about morality or righteousness, it cares about maintaining safety and security for all.

This whole moral good vs evil thing you have going belongs in PD. The world does not work like this. It never has.
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I'd say the problem with consigning the literal pursuit of wisdom, in a most important aspect of everyday life(*), to one particular section of the forum should be self-explanatory.

That is what philosophy is.... the pursuit of wisdom.

How dare anyone put their ideas to the test/open scrutiny, like that!!! /s

* discussion on unfolding WW3 not important enough to put your ideas to the test? Let me guess. it's neither the time nor the place. :unsure:
 
Solarion said:
IAEA had one simple request: show us what you have. Iran had 1 thing to do to adhere to international law. They chose to ignore.
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When was this IAEA request?

I'm assuming the DNI's confirmation that Iran had passed the then(at her testimony in 2025) test, under international law, with flying colors.
 
lexity said:
I'd say the problem with consigning the literal pursuit of wisdom, in a most important aspect of everyday life(*), to one particular section of the forum should be self-explanatory.

That is what philosophy is.... the pursuit of wisdom.

How dare anyone put their ideas to the test/open scrutiny, like that!!! /s

* WW3 not important enough to put your ideas to the test?
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Philosophy and religion are safe spaces one can barricade themselves up behind because neither rely on facts or evidence.

But hey, you all go ahead and turn this thread into a PD over why threatening your neighbors with nuclear annihilation is a philosophical problem. I'm out.
 
Solarion said:
Philosophy and religion are safe spaces one can barricade themselves up behind because neither rely on facts or evidence.

But hey, you all go ahead and turn this thread into a PD over why threatening your neighbors with nuclear annihilation is a philosophical problem. I'm out.
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Think of it as much needed boots-on-the-ground pursuit of wisdom.

Or put us on ignore.

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Israeli Twitter is imploding at the moment. Lot's of anger and lots of truth being spoken by average Israelis angry at their government.

Netanyahu - through the media - is beginning to prepare public opinion for the fact that "the end of the campaign is not on the horizon," "there are many goals in the operation," and "the campaign may last a long time."Our lives are the price he is willing to pay: in nights of alarms, in the disruption of routine, in children with anxieties, in the killed, wounded, and evacuated.Whoever needs war keeps it burning.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/2030548030634487901
 
Solarion said:
IAEA had one simple request: show us what you have. Iran had 1 thing to do to adhere to international law. They chose to ignore.

International law does not care about morality or righteousness, it cares about maintaining safety and security for all.

This whole moral good vs evil thing you have going belongs in PD. The world does not work like this. It never has.
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Good try,
You can try to justify this evil every way every day and you will come up short every time, or have you not the intelligence to realise that yet?

Im going with the Omani reports on this one:

The Iranian and Omani Position​


According to Oman’s Foreign Minister, Badr Albusaidi, Iran had signaled readiness for "unprecedented concessions" just days before the attack. Reports indicate that in these final rounds of indirect talks, Iran had verbally agreed to:

  • Cap Uranium Enrichment: Reduce enrichment levels to below 3.67% (the limit set in the original 2015 JCPOA).
  • Zero Stockpiling: Commit to not accumulating or storing any enriched uranium.
  • Full Monitoring: Allow international nuclear inspectors back into the country with full, unrestricted monitoring access.
  • The "Never" Pledge: President Trump himself noted that Iran had agreed to a "completely new" statement that they would "never, ever have nuclear material that will create a bomb."
 
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