US man pleads guilty to defrauding music streamers out of millions using AI

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A North Carolina man has pleaded guilty to defrauding music streaming platforms and his fellow musicians out of millions in royalties by flooding the services with thousands of AI-generated songs – and using automated “bots” to artificially boost the number of listens into the billions.

As part of a deal with federal prosecutors in New York’s southern district, 52-year-old Michael Smith pleaded guilty on Friday to conspiracy to commit wire fraud

 
At first AI made me jaded about art. Whereas previously I'd see art & mages online and marvel at how cool it is and wonder how it was made, with AI slop everywhere I hardly care anymore, just assuming that most of whatever random image I'm seeing is AI generated.

And now the jaded about music era....

Would happily press the 'nuke all AI button' (even though I use it and still like some of what's been generated).
 
At first AI made me jaded about art. Whereas previously I'd see art & mages online and marvel at how cool it is and wonder how it was made, with AI slop everywhere I hardly care anymore, just assuming that most of whatever random image I'm seeing is AI generated.

And now the jaded about music era....

Would happily press the 'nuke all AI button' (even though I use it and still like some of what's been generated).
Irony is real music artists have been using software, while not fully generative for years and years, especially for things like mixing ect. Music was an all boys club breaking into the industry, was pretty much impossible, and you sort had to know someone that knows someone, to even get a foot in the door.

Last 30 odd years as technology advanced pretty much every dick tom and harry can record and make an album, even before this current generation, music has been deluded, lacking originality and most of all substance. They have a problem with the current direction it is heading in, sure it is getting even more deluded. But musical slop has been a fixture in music for a couple of decades now it is nothing new really.

They’re crying wolf over a machine they built, polished, and fed until it no longer needed them. For decades, they traded authenticity for efficiency and scale. Now that the machine can run on its own, they want to call it dangerous. It was only ever “art” when they controlled it.


Honestly fck em. How about actually putting in the effort and create something worthwhile to listen to. I am all for the people using new tools to express their creative side, and sure it is low effort for some. But there are quite a few that actually put in the effort to actively get the most out it with lots of human input.

Shouldn't have to remind people of how well autotune was received and how at first there was outrage, quietly got absorb and no one is the wiser these days or think less of someone using it.

I am not particularly concerned it is just a thing that needs to run its course.....
 
I feel this man deserves every bit of profit he managed to make out of these companies.

If their platforms allowed this exploitation then they should stop crying, plug the hole and move along.

You wanted to have AI slop on your platforms, now deal with the repercussions.

The internet is literally by the bots for the bots now, the time for human consumption is over.
 
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Shouldn't have to remind people of how well autotune was received and how at first there was outrage, quietly got absorb and no one is the wiser these days or think less of someone using it.
Go talk schit somewhere else man. In what world have people silently accepted autotune or don’t care about its use?

Maybe if you are an immature teenieboper jumping from one pop song to another you don’t care, but I think most people do care.

Music fans despise auto tune, or any “music” the “artist” can’t perform an acceptable live acoustic rendition of without sounding false and pathetic.

Also, don’t compare electronic music, or using electronics/computers to generate effects with creating AI music. The two are not remotely the same.

Computers and “electronic effects” made it possible for band like Alphaville to give us incredible music, and allowed rock guitar to grow in unbelievable ways, but it still required a real artist to make it happen.
 
Go talk schit somewhere else man. In what world have people silently accepted autotune or don’t care about its use?

Maybe if you are an immature teenieboper jumping from one pop song to another you don’t care, but I think most people do care.

Music fans despise auto tune, or any “music” the “artist” can’t perform an acceptable live acoustic rendition of without sounding false and pathetic.

Also, don’t compare electronic music, or using electronics/computers to generate effects with creating AI music. The two are not remotely the same.

Computers and “electronic effects” made it possible for band like Alphaville to give us incredible music, and allowed rock guitar to grow in unbelievable ways, but it still required a real artist to make it happen.

Go talk schit somewhere else, huh?
Look, if you’re going to pick fights about technology in music, at least base it on real history instead of mythology.

First off, people absolutely did complain about autotune when it first showed up in the late ’90s but it didn’t stay taboo. It quickly became a normal production tool, and now plenty of artists use it intentionally as an effect, not just hiding bad singing. That’s exactly the same way guitarists use pedals or synth players use filters and envelopes.

And about your Alphaville example let’s get the facts straight. Their song Forever Young was recorded back in 1984 with analog synthesizers, sequencers, drum machines and engineer choices, long before autotune even existed. They trimmed the arrangement to vocals and pads because the producer felt the stripped‑down vibe worked best that’s studio editing.

Marian Gold himself worked with the band and producers to shape the vocals, even getting help with pronunciation to fit the sound they wanted. It is pretty "selective" and sure it would be unfair to call it cheating, but that is exactly what they did to the song for that "perfect" studio version.

So sure, you can act like anything electronic equals apocalypse, but that’s just ignoring decades of music history where producers and artists have used tools creatively. Technology doesn’t erase artistry. It gives artists more choices and most people don’t hate that, they just hate gatekeeping rhetoric more than autotune itself.

Also, if you think “real” artists don’t use automation, you might be a bit thick. Automation in music isn’t new it’s been around since the 1950s in experimental composition, and in studios it was used for volume fades, panning, and effect tweaks long before computers were in every home. Synth pioneers like Wendy Carlos or bands like Pink Floyd in the ’70s were using studio automation and sequencers to create sounds no human could perform live manually. Every time a mix engineer adjusts levels, pans, or triggers tape loops, that’s automation.


And yes, I’ve been making AI music for several months now, so if you think it’s soulless or low-effort, you’ve been living under a rock. You can literally control every aspect of the performance, choose the voice, the style, even create a full persona, and then sculpt every nuance pronunciation, tone, inflection, phrasing, even whisper or emphasize specific lyrics. You can upload your own composition or sounds and build on them, producing something entirely unique. Effects like echoes, delays, panning, stereo/mono output, or vocal chops can all be specified in detail.

It seems you think you know something about this, but honestly, you don’t. The idea that AI music is “easy” couldn’t be further from the truth. Sure, anyone can crank out a bad AI song, but making a good one actually requires serious musical knowledge and precision. For example, with Suno you have a strict 1000-character limit to describe what you want. That’s barely enough space to articulate exactly where you want a build, a breakdown, a vocal chop, or a pan effect. You have to condense everything: which lyrics are rapped, whispered, or sung, where the synths hit, what style each section needs, and more. If you’re into synthesizers, you need to understand those too, how they interact with the style you’re aiming for.

So yeah, making a good AI track is anything but effortless. The process demands the same thought, precision, and creativity that any serious producer would put into a traditional track. You think it’s easy? Bitch, please.

And if you think only “non-artists” use Suno or other AI music platforms, you’re in for a surprise. Quite a few real artists actively use it, especially songwriters creating demos. Suno even has stem exports—so, yes, real artists are taking AI-generated stems and integrating them into professional DAWs for full productions. Some artists even upload their own vocals to create personas for future projects, demos, or experimentation.

The irony isn’t lost on me. Here you are, moaning about AI music while defending “real” artists, yet you’re completely ignorant to how these tools are actually being used. They aren’t just for memes or lazy tracks they’re legitimate production tools that give musicians creative flexibility that wasn’t possible before. So please, spare me the gatekeeping lecture.



The irony is rich coming from you Considering I am talking ****........righhhhht how about a little history lesson...........

Some early Queen albums famously declared “No Synthesizers!” on the sleeve notes essentially a statement that they were committed to traditional instruments and not electronic keyboards. That was a stance in opposition to synth use at the time.

In the early 1980s, the UK Musicians’ Union passed a resolution to ban synthesizers and drum machines from use, out of fear that these electronic tools would replace real instrumentalists. That’s essentially the same panic you see about AI now tech threatening human jobs.

Across genres in the late 1960s and ’70s, critics often dismissed synths as cold or inhuman, accusing electronic sounds of replacing skill or diluting music. Some traditionalists in jazz and rock derided machines for reducing the need for trained instrumentalists.

Even within bands like Rush, there was internal tension as synthesizers became more prominent in the ’80s. Some members felt sidelined because keyboards were layered early in the process, displacing guitars and traditional parts. That reflects a resistance to technology changing the creative balance.

Punk rock and early hip-hop eras had their own purist disdain for anything electronic beyond basic instruments, with fans and critics alike insisting synths and drum machines weren’t “real music.”


Yeah go on have a cup of STFU and welcome to Loserville. lol yeah...ppffft....bye bye

 

Go talk schit somewhere else, huh?
Look, if you’re going to pick fights about technology in music, at least base it on real history instead of mythology.

First off, people absolutely did complain about autotune when it first showed up in the late ’90s but it didn’t stay taboo. It quickly became a normal production tool, and now plenty of artists use it intentionally as an effect, not just hiding bad singing. That’s exactly the same way guitarists use pedals or synth players use filters and envelopes.

And about your Alphaville example let’s get the facts straight. Their song Forever Young was recorded back in 1984 with analog synthesizers, sequencers, drum machines and engineer choices, long before autotune even existed. They trimmed the arrangement to vocals and pads because the producer felt the stripped‑down vibe worked best that’s studio editing.

Marian Gold himself worked with the band and producers to shape the vocals, even getting help with pronunciation to fit the sound they wanted. It is pretty "selective" and sure it would be unfair to call it cheating, but that is exactly what they did to the song for that "perfect" studio version.

So sure, you can act like anything electronic equals apocalypse, but that’s just ignoring decades of music history where producers and artists have used tools creatively. Technology doesn’t erase artistry. It gives artists more choices and most people don’t hate that, they just hate gatekeeping rhetoric more than autotune itself.

Also, if you think “real” artists don’t use automation, you might be a bit thick. Automation in music isn’t new it’s been around since the 1950s in experimental composition, and in studios it was used for volume fades, panning, and effect tweaks long before computers were in every home. Synth pioneers like Wendy Carlos or bands like Pink Floyd in the ’70s were using studio automation and sequencers to create sounds no human could perform live manually. Every time a mix engineer adjusts levels, pans, or triggers tape loops, that’s automation.


And yes, I’ve been making AI music for several months now, so if you think it’s soulless or low-effort, you’ve been living under a rock. You can literally control every aspect of the performance, choose the voice, the style, even create a full persona, and then sculpt every nuance pronunciation, tone, inflection, phrasing, even whisper or emphasize specific lyrics. You can upload your own composition or sounds and build on them, producing something entirely unique. Effects like echoes, delays, panning, stereo/mono output, or vocal chops can all be specified in detail.

It seems you think you know something about this, but honestly, you don’t. The idea that AI music is “easy” couldn’t be further from the truth. Sure, anyone can crank out a bad AI song, but making a good one actually requires serious musical knowledge and precision. For example, with Suno you have a strict 1000-character limit to describe what you want. That’s barely enough space to articulate exactly where you want a build, a breakdown, a vocal chop, or a pan effect. You have to condense everything: which lyrics are rapped, whispered, or sung, where the synths hit, what style each section needs, and more. If you’re into synthesizers, you need to understand those too, how they interact with the style you’re aiming for.

So yeah, making a good AI track is anything but effortless. The process demands the same thought, precision, and creativity that any serious producer would put into a traditional track. You think it’s easy? Bitch, please.

And if you think only “non-artists” use Suno or other AI music platforms, you’re in for a surprise. Quite a few real artists actively use it, especially songwriters creating demos. Suno even has stem exports—so, yes, real artists are taking AI-generated stems and integrating them into professional DAWs for full productions. Some artists even upload their own vocals to create personas for future projects, demos, or experimentation.

The irony isn’t lost on me. Here you are, moaning about AI music while defending “real” artists, yet you’re completely ignorant to how these tools are actually being used. They aren’t just for memes or lazy tracks they’re legitimate production tools that give musicians creative flexibility that wasn’t possible before. So please, spare me the gatekeeping lecture.



The irony is rich coming from you Considering I am talking ****........righhhhht how about a little history lesson...........

Some early Queen albums famously declared “No Synthesizers!” on the sleeve notes essentially a statement that they were committed to traditional instruments and not electronic keyboards. That was a stance in opposition to synth use at the time.

In the early 1980s, the UK Musicians’ Union passed a resolution to ban synthesizers and drum machines from use, out of fear that these electronic tools would replace real instrumentalists. That’s essentially the same panic you see about AI now tech threatening human jobs.

Across genres in the late 1960s and ’70s, critics often dismissed synths as cold or inhuman, accusing electronic sounds of replacing skill or diluting music. Some traditionalists in jazz and rock derided machines for reducing the need for trained instrumentalists.

Even within bands like Rush, there was internal tension as synthesizers became more prominent in the ’80s. Some members felt sidelined because keyboards were layered early in the process, displacing guitars and traditional parts. That reflects a resistance to technology changing the creative balance.

Punk rock and early hip-hop eras had their own purist disdain for anything electronic beyond basic instruments, with fans and critics alike insisting synths and drum machines weren’t “real music.”


Yeah go on have a cup of STFU and welcome to Loserville. lol yeah...ppffft....bye bye

Brother, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say about alphaville. Alphaville are/were incredible artists. That level of production using experimental methods and so on is still art. Making AI music by inserting specific prompts, using computer generated voices and drum lines etc, is not art.

But, since you think you “produce” music using AI, means you are part of the problem.

I want to be able to put a face to th voice I hear on a song. I want to know they are a real person, with a real story, and if the song makes it big, I want to l know they got a fair share of the proceeds.

AI music is as good as plagiarism, it requires no talent or skill, and it is essentially taking food off the table of real artists.

You mention Queens stance of “no synthesisers” as if it’s a bad thing. Let be real. There are very few bands in history that could put on a live show the way queen could. That’s real talent. That’s skill.

The absolute greatest band I have ever seen live is Foo Fighters. I’ve seen them twice, and my mind was blown both times. Plus their studio albums are pretty amazing too, and they do that with a decidely “old school” approach to recording. Their best album, “Wasting Light”, which got them 5 Grammy nominations, and winning album of the year in 2011, was recorded in Dave Grohls garage on 100% analog equipment. They had very little option for post editing and had to get the recordings right in studio, in one go. Thats music.

Let me know when your AI slop gets nominated for a Grammy
 
Yeah go on have a cup of STFU and welcome to Loserville. lol yeah...ppffft....bye bye

As for “Loserville”. What even is that. Hope that’s not one of your productions, it’s honestly one of the worst songs I have heard in a long time.

Miley Cyrus at the worst of her mainstream “pop” era was still better than that.

(PS: I’m actually a pretty big Miley fan, but only her early breakout work like “The Climb”, and then the more recent, post wrecking ball stuff)
 
As for “Loserville”. What even is that. Hope that’s not one of your productions, it’s honestly one of the worst songs I have heard in a long time.

Miley Cyrus at the worst of her mainstream “pop” era was still better than that.

(PS: I’m actually a pretty big Miley fan, but only her early breakout work like “The Climb”, and then the more recent, post wrecking ball stuff)
Mate it was actually to annoy you more than anything else, plus give you something to gripe about, being intentionally bad.

This is what a properly produced song sounds like. It wasn’t generated in a single pass. The track was developed over multiple iterations, with both the production and lyrics refined repeatedly. There’s a common assumption that you can just input a prompt and instantly get a finished song, but this is the result of deliberate choices and careful shaping.

The airy, echoing vocals were chosen very intentionally. They contrast with the darker narrative, giving the song a deceptively light tone while hiding the sharper, more dangerous themes underneath. That duality is central to the piece.

The concept came from watching documentaries on European royal history, particularly the political intrigue and often deadly power struggles within royal courts. Beheading at dawn, quiet disappearances, bodies hidden away, forced loyalty, and shifting power where a new ruler could emerge overnight. That atmosphere became the foundation of the song.

The lyrics are written to be open-ended. Rather than describing a single fixed story, they allow listeners to interpret the meaning in their own way. The vagueness is intentional. There are also clear Shakespearean influences, especially in the use of duality and themes reminiscent of works like Hamlet and Macbeth.

“A court of smiles, where even the walls know better than to speak” captures the core idea. The perspective is that of a chamber maid, someone who sees everything, understands the truth behind the facade, but knows that what she has witnessed will likely never be acknowledged or recorded.

Both the lyrics and melody work to mask the brutality of that world. In such a court, anyone with influence becomes a target. Speaking out or taking a stance could lead to exile, disappearance, or execution.
The vocal style and soft grunge texture fit this perfectly. The melody leans bright on the surface, but carries subtle sadness underneath. It doesn’t overstay its welcome, and it carries a slight sense of fantasy while still grounding itself in something much darker.

The idea of layering darker meaning beneath accessible or even upbeat music isn’t new. It’s something many artists have done effectively over the years.For example, Pumped Up Kicks by Foster the People has a bright, catchy sound, but the lyrics deal with a deeply disturbing subject: a troubled youth fantasizing about violence using his father’s gun.

Similarly, Every Breath You Take by The Police is often mistaken for a love song due to its smooth, melodic feel, when in reality it’s written from the perspective of an obsessive stalker.

Both songs use contrast between tone and subject matter to create something more compelling. The music draws you in, while the lyrics reveal something far more unsettling underneath.

That same principle applies here. The lighter, airy vocal style and melodic choices aren’t accidental. They’re meant to mask the darker themes, creating a contrast that makes the underlying narrative hit harder once you really listen.


I don't randomly make songs, it is based on feelings of the day, or how I feel about something, generally speaking.
This is from the same persona

Fairy tale imagery as metaphor, it is a mother who sings a lullaby to her daughter, cautioning her about love in general, and talking experience from her own love life and mistakes she has made. It keeps with that fantasy theme and using metaphors.


This one is quite dark, it is from the perspective of a serial killer talking about what he is thinking his victim is thinking about.

about sex and orgasming

Recently has some family drama with regard to my mother with dementia, sitting in their ivory tower barking this and that, but when push comes to shove they are all spinless in the end, and just decided to cut them out.

Same persona as the painted crowns this is about my own morality and eventual death how will those still alive feel about it, just accept me for the mistakes I made while alive, will I actually be forgiven for that, or is someone going to spit on my grave. It is intentionally vague, in that it could apply to work or a relationship that comes to the final end and conclusion, personally it is about death.

And some time I enjoy something chaotic and dark and experiment

loneliness and despair

Sometimes just having fun trying out new things

Sometimes some house tracks with deeper meanings, surviving the chaos of life, holding onto authenticity, and finding grounding in shared, lived moments celebrating the human capacity to endure and keep moving forward. Mixing in rap is a nice touch.


Just a random sampling there is 100's like this, some experiments, some poking fun, some serious. With full production and thought going into, carefully selecting the style and voice, and the particular instrument and speed of the song. At no point is trying imitate a specific artist or style, it is tailored to what I specifically enjoy.

Not every song will be popular or gain traction, and that is perfectly fine, I am not doing it for you, ironically most singers/song writers selfishly do it for themselves, the commercial aspect is secondary to it all. Singers/song quite often write about their moods, heartbreak ect, they aren't intentionally looking for fame there is quite a few singers that hate fame, singers like kurt cobain loved music but had a love hate relationship with fame.

Music is deeply personal it might not evoke emotional response from you and you would rather berate and bemoan anything and everything that doesn't conform to you reality or what you like and that is fine too. Someone somewhere likes it, even if just one person, you don't matter either way, not in the least. That is more a you problem than a me problem.

Ironically I must be doing something right, not that I am in anyway or form hiding that I am creating with AI. I am slowly building a channel. I could probably do a lot better if I start throwing money at it and select videos to promote. But the intentions isn't to monetize, it just to have fun. Still people are enjoying it enough to sub.

Whatever moaning and berating and snarky comments you have.....who cares, you aren't my audience whatever you have to say, I don't actually care. I am doing it for me everything else is secondary, The point is you can have all the social commentary you want it is pretty meaningless to me in the end if you yourself don't even grasp the fundamentals of creation and usage it is noise I tune out quickly. Like joining my ever growing list of people a cut out, if you can't be civilized and be constructive whether negative or positive your opinion is like a butthole. I have my own, don't need yours as well

Whatever you have against AI music is what you could gather from google or where ever, well established your music theory is entirely flaky, I have no reason to entertain you really.

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