Israel says it has launched attack on Iran, as explosions reported in Tehran

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Spizz said:
So, no argument. Rather avoid the subject and keep insulting an atheist who has no love for Israel, but rather sees the death cult recruiting useful idiots to their side. Of course, as a member of the death cult you wouldn't have a cogent argument anyway, but come on dude, you can at least try to play the ball and not the man.

I've said 100 times on here, I'm open to discussion and I've explained myself over and over, but it seems the peanut gallery and their brainwashed zombies are just unable to play on a level playing field. How about you give it a try, huh, and answer my original post? Come on, I know you can do it...
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Your original post, who taught you history?

You can't give back something you never owned. Hence, I find your distortion tantamount to lowly bootlicking. Tell me when I harp at the fact that you a taqiya Zionist why do you dismiss it like you merely hold an informed position on the subject? why don't you just come out of the closet, we both know you a closet case of Jetfighter.
 
Solarion said:
Every single day via their proxies. Every single day they pushed their nuclear enrichment further and further on one hand, and vowed Israel's extermination on the other. You will not accept this answer though. And I am not here to hold your hand like your mother and think for you.
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This proxy nonsense doesn't work, and Israel cannot even beat the proxies. Just apply your same argument to different people.

Nato is using Ukraine as a proxy to attack Russia. Russia is winning because they aren't bombing America directly they are beating Ukraine in Ukraine and it is 100% justified.

If Russia attempted to bom. any other Nato member all you guys would spaz out and say that nato member did nothing, you are inconsistent.

The winning play is to beat the proxies were they are and expand Israel. The loser play is some retarded failure of a regime change efforts in Iran that just create more anti Israel sentiment.
Not America nor Israel has the appetite for a real war with Iran.

You guys do play games right? You have to beat the lvl 1 boss first before you can go to the final boss.
 
Neptuner said:
Your original post, who taught you history?
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I read.

Neptuner said:
You can't give back something you never owned.
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Nonsense. The Sinai was taken in war. It was given back formally as part of a peace treaty.

Neptuner said:
Hence, I find your distortion tantamount to lowly bootlicking.
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I only deal with facts. Please explain the distortion in the fact in my statement above.

Neptuner said:
Tell me when I harp at the fact that you a taqiya Zionist why do you dismiss it like you merely hold an informed position on the subject?
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Lol. Because it's not true. What else would I say? And tbf, as mentioned, I read and obseverve and I think I do have an informed position.

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why don't you just come out of the closet, we both know you a closet case of Jetfighter.
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I've told you 100 times, you don't believe me so again, again, again, what can I do?

Of course if you want to discuss things then you might find out, but just repeating your BS won't get you anywhere.
 
Splinter said:
No it wasn't. Both Israel and the US have denied Lebanon and Hezbollah were covered by the ceasefire.
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The US only made an about turn after Israel attacked Lebanon. The broker of the deal, Pakistan, stated that Lebanon were a part of the agreement. The retcon was to give Israel's attack legitimacy instead of calling them out. All history is a palimpsest in Trump's America.
 
rietrot said:
You are very close to being just like them.
You look worse because your side started the killing first when they were just minding their own business.
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Iran was not just minding their own business.

No-one forced them to fund Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houties etc.
No-one forced them to enrich uranium beyond what is needed for commercial reactors

Give them some agency, they do the things for a reason, and that reason is the destruction of Israel.
Not to mention the own terror they impose on their own citizens.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/2042171898956542113

EDIT: Should probably post it in Grok translation.

It is our country's duty to protect Lebanon, its people, and its sovereignty. This country is once again a collateral victim of the tensions in the region, suffering massive bombings on its capital.

I support France's proposal to include Lebanon in the framework of the regional ceasefire.
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R13... said:
The US only made an about turn after Israel attacked Lebanon. The broker of the deal, Pakistan, stated that Lebanon were a part of the agreement. The retcon was to give Israel's attack legitimacy instead of calling them out. All history is a palimpsest in Trump's America.
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Out of genuine interest, do you perhaps have a credible link for the deal that Pakistan suggested and the details thereof?
 
SeRpEnT said:
Out of genuine interest, do you perhaps have a credible link for the deal that Pakistan suggested and the details thereof?
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No. No one has. I'm guessing the details will prove inconvenient. The broad outline is in a tweet by the Pakistan prime minister. it's posted here yesterday
 
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No. No one has. I'm guessing the details will prove inconvenient. The broad outline is in a tweet by the Pakistan prime minister. it's posted here yesterday
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But as usual all the experts on here are debating the deal and the fallout and drama attached?
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Good old MyBB...
 
SeRpEnT said:
But as usual all the experts on here are debating the deal and the fallout and drama attached?
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Good old MyBB...
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Well, 10 and 15 points were posted. Trump's first statement accepted some of Iran's 10 points. Later, when people started asking questions, the points were all denied and any posts of them declared fake new. The white house denied them. The white house almost always lies and retcons. It's up to individuals to make their own deductons.
 
rietrot said:
This proxy nonsense doesn't work, and Israel cannot even beat the proxies. Just apply your same argument to different people.

Nato is using Ukraine as a proxy to attack Russia. Russia is winning because they aren't bombing America directly they are beating Ukraine in Ukraine and it is 100% justified.

If Russia attempted to bom. any other Nato member all you guys would spaz out and say that nato member did nothing, you are inconsistent.

The winning play is to beat the proxies were they are and expand Israel. The loser play is some retarded failure of a regime change efforts in Iran that just create more anti Israel sentiment.
Not America nor Israel has the appetite for a real war with Iran.

You guys do play games right? You have to beat the lvl 1 boss first before you can go to the final boss.
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It's not actually addressing the original point, you’re dodging it.

Bringing up NATO, Ukraine, and Russia is classic whataboutism. It doesn’t refute anything about Iran’s use of proxies; it just tries to shift the conversation somewhere else so you don’t have to engage directly.

You’re also forcing a false equivalence. Different conflicts with different structures and contexts aren’t automatically comparable just because the word “proxy” is involved. If your argument depends on treating unlike situations as identical, it’s not a strong argument.

On top of that, you’re making a lot of confident claims (“Russia is winning,” “100% justified,” “Israel can’t beat proxies”) without providing any evidence. Just stating things strongly doesn’t make them true.
 
R13... said:
The US only made an about turn after Israel attacked Lebanon. The broker of the deal, Pakistan, stated that Lebanon were a part of the agreement. The retcon was to give Israel's attack legitimacy instead of calling them out. All history is a palimpsest in Trump's America.
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Perhaps - but that doesn't mean Israel initially agreed to it - and as I've said before, a cease-fire needs all parties onboard.

I still haven't seen anything at the time from the USA that Hezbollah was included in the ceasefire.
 
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ghaye said:
Except you're wrong. Some of their enemies are just following their good book. Nothing Israel does will change that. So NO, not ALL of them.


I must admit, when I read that I thought he was talking about family members. Like wife and daughters or mother and wife etc.
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I was😁. Wife and young daughters.
 
konfab said:
Iran was not just minding their own business.

No-one forced them to fund Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houties etc.
No-one forced them to enrich uranium beyond what is needed for commercial reactors

Give them some agency, they do the things for a reason, and that reason is the destruction of Israel.
Not to mention the own terror they impose on their own citizens.
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Don't talk about giving people agency when you don't give Hamas, Hezbollah or Houties any agency.
 
R13... said:
Well, 10 and 15 points were posted. Trump's first statement accepted some of Iran's 10 points. Later, when people started asking questions, the points were all denied and any posts of them declared fake new. The white house denied them. The white house almost always lies and retcons. It's up to individuals to make their own deductons.
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Which is why i'm asking.
Would love to know the actual points up for discussion between these countries.
And just because **** is posted online, I must admit I dont know what to trust and what not anymore.
 
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