IRAN WAR: You can't lose, if you don't have a goal

[xcaliber]

I think we all can agree that this presidency hasn't been the greatest.

**** show in other words, not the greatest Americano presidents from like before.

Its the master plan. Start a war to distract people from epistian, talk about epistian to distract people from the failed war. Then start a new war

 

[lexity]

Can we stop with the revisionism?

He was NEVER "America first".

He was ALWAYS "Trump first".

He has always been divorced from reality.

He has always been plagued with crippling narcissim, ignorance and served as a master class case of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

This was obvious to anyone who's mind doesn't run on mushy peas.

Trump never betrayed his base in so obvious a manner as he has since June '25.

But even just saying this risks triggering you. Because your response falls squarely into the red-vs-blue deep-state trap. If I mention any factors external to the man himself I must therefore be defending his actions.

You can be outside the left-vs-right agitation, and still recognize that there is a difference between Trump 1st term and Trump 2nd term.

You have to come out of your obsession with red-v-blue first, though.

Left and Right are 2 wings of the same bird of prey. Until they realize this, they are a nourishing meal for the parasite.

 

[xcaliber]

They might not have hit a school yet, but they are killing civilians. I'm not sure why you are so focused on the school when civilian deaths can and do occur outside of schools.

Israel: Iran’s missile strike that killed nine civilians ‘must be investigated as a war crime’ – new investigation

A missile strike by the Islamic Republic of Iran’s authorities on the Israeli city of Beit Shemesh that killed nine civilians – including four teenagers – must be investigated as a war crime, Amnesty International said in a new investigation. The strike, just before 2pm local time on 1 March on...

www.amnesty.org

U.S./Israel–Iran War on Course for Cataclysmic Civilian Harm, Displacement, and Humanitarian Need - Refugees International

If this evolves into a long-term war, and if internal conflict emerges in Iran, the humanitarian consequences could worsen dramatically.

www.refugeesinternational.org

Oh no. The killed 9. We can hand the perps after dealing with the country that killed 100+ school girls.

 

[Alexander the Straight]

I just charge a toll.

@ only 50 cents per lie /half truth you could retire from just this thread alone

 

[s0lar]

Meanwhile @Jet-Fighter7700 being absent in this thread.

 

[lexity]

Lol, I get the feeling I've fallen into your trap and you are deliberately misunderstading so you can go on a little campaign again.

BUT, Lexy my old mucker, try to stay on the topic and not make this about you but about Zionism. Which as you well know, central to the term Zionism is the fact is that it is a Jewish movement, and self-determination for the Jewish people is a core principal.

That's it.

Where 'your trap,' to you, is code for 'your argument from first principles approach' and 'staying on-topic' is code for 'avoiding argument from first principles'.

I think you can't afford to argue from first principles, in case it turns out the Jewish people by enlarge are pawns in someone else's larger agenda.

So, what you do instead is subtly threaten to shut down the conversation.

 

[konfab]

Hence the meme, "modern conservatism is just liberalism in the slow lane".

This is incorrect.

Milei is such an example of modern conservatism in action.

 

[Solarion]

Appropriating word .....

.....downloading.

Uploading props.....

Cmon, show us the meme grok generated. Hand it over.

 

[Wut]

Nope.

Transformation polices in South Africa are intentioned to exclude white people from the economy.

Take for example, water rights. .



https://www.africanfarming.com/2025...allowed-to-sell-water-rights-to-white-farmer/

Have you looked into Israeli land laws and how non-Jews are discriminated against when it comes to buying or leasing land from the government and quasi-government organizations like the JNF?

Then let's not forget this "fine tradition" upheld by the government:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1740419789036941592

 

[Spizz]

Where 'your trap,' to you, is code for 'your argument from first principles approach' and 'staying on-topic' is code for 'avoiding argument from first principles'.

I think you can't afford to argue from first principles, in case it turns out the Jewish people by enlarge are pawns in someone else's larger agenda.

So, what you do instead is subtly threaten to shut down the conversation.

I'm not trying to shut anything down. You are arguing what self-determination is, I'm arguing what Zionism is. And in it's simplest form, self-determination is a cetral tenet of Zionism.

But don't take my word for it, as much as I hate to turn to Wikipedia, I just did a check and it's mentioned here 15 times and even has it's own heading and paragraph.

Zionism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The discussion was about Zionism. The "argue about the meaning of English terms from first principals" thread is no doubt in a different section.

 

[lexity]

Cmon, show us the meme grok generated. Hand it over.

Sorry... no meme.

I would have to work out how to do that first.... too much effort.

 

[rustypup]

falls squarely into the red-vs-blue deep-state trap

Whilst we're discussing loony-tunes delusional trap victims......

How are the meds working out?

 

[lexity]

I'm not trying to shut anything down. You are arguing what self-determination is, I'm arguing what Zionism is. And in it's simplest form, self-determination is a cetral tenet of Zionism.

But don't take my word for it, as much as I hate to turn to Wikipedia, I just did a check and it's mentioned here 15 times and even has it's own heading and paragraph.

Zionism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The discussion was about Zionism. The "argue about the meaning of English terms from first principals" thread is no doubt in a different section.

You brought up self-determination, in the context of Zionist ends.

If you use the term 'self-determination,' you should be willing and able to define it.

This is what differentiates criminals and their simps from the rest of us.

Don't give me a 1000 words, just state what you understand the term to mean.

Very simple.

 

[konfab]

Have you looked into Israeli land laws and how non-Jews are discriminated against when it comes to buying or leasing land from the government and quasi-government organizations like the JNF?

Then let's not forget this "fine tradition" upheld by the government:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1740419789036941592

"upheld by the government"

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli police said Wednesday they arrested several people suspected of spitting in the direction of Christian pilgrims and churches in Jerusalem this week as religious tensions flared anew in the contested capital that the three Abrahamic faiths consider holy.

Police also arrested five other people for allegedly spitting toward churches on Wednesday. One was charged with assault, and four were charged with unlawful disorderly conduct, police said.

Such footage has stirred concerns of rising intolerance among religious Jews and drew rare condemnation on Tuesday from Israel’s official rabbi, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other senior officials.

https://apnews.com/article/christians-jerusalem-old-city-spitting-524b3b8e92beb4c947b3b8b49e80cc45

How is it being upheld by the government, when the government arrests them for doing it?

 

[DarkStarMonday]

Its the master plan. Start a war to distract people from epistian, talk about epistian to distract people from the failed war. Then start a new war

 

[lexity]

Whilst we're discussing loony-tunes delusional trap victims......

How are the meds working out?

Be honest for once, and admit you have got the faintest clue what the term 'deep-state' refers to, and you are not about to reach for that information.

 

[rustypup]

you have got the faintest clue what the term 'deep-state' refers to

Yip.

It's a dog whistle for lunatics and broken minds. They congregate aorund it and manufacture all sorts of self-congratulatory fantasies from it.

Like most cults, the whack-a-doodle "deep state, world is run by lizzzzard people" folks *love* their "secret knowledge" BS and think themselves clever for being privy to hidden truths.

They're mostly just sad, deluded, chuckledinks with only a feint grasp on reality.

 

[Neptuner]

They bypassing the orange man , false flag loading.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2042566156410564784

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Oh no. The killed 9. We can hand the perps after dealing with the country that killed 100+ school girls.

Just one incident I found, not the only one. Btw, you must consider that Israelis have a well-defined way in which to deal with missile barrages and the like through safe rooms (usually part of a residential unit), bomb shelters etc which naturally would lower the death count. I heavily doubt such structures are present in Iran given the IRGC don't give a fsck about the average Iranian. They know they can get the 'pearl clutchers' in the Western media to quote civilian deaths without any context provided.

 

[Spizz]

You brought up self-determination, in the context of Zionist ends

Yes, because you said it can't be both self-determination and Zionism. I said self-determination for the Jewish people is a central tenet of Zionism and have given more than enough reading material for you to go through.

Quick search, is self-determination a central tenet of Zionism?...

Yes, self-determination is a central, foundational tenet of Zionism. It is defined as the political movement seeking to fulfill the Jewish people's right to self-determination by establishing and maintaining a Jewish state in their ancestral homeland, the Land of Israel

Perhaps if you disagree with what 'self-determiantion' means in the passage above, I'm not the one you should be taking it up with.

If you use the term 'self-determination,' you should be willing and able to define it.

I'm not trying to make up something from scratch here, this is defined and is available for all to see. Other than to pick a fight, why would you think Iotherwise?

But here, let me search for you again. I'd also encourage you to go and have a wee look yourself sometime. I'm assuming you have a search engine...?

Within Zionism, self-determination is defined as the fundamental right of the Jewish people to establish, maintain, and protect an independent Jewish state in their ancestral homeland. It is viewed as an indigenous liberation movement aiming to end centuries of persecution by creating a safe haven and restoring Jewish sovereignty.

Is that clear enough? It's certainly the definition I have been referring to and have highlighted a few times through this tediousness.

This is what differentiates criminals and their simps from the rest of us

Define criminals.

Define simps.

Explain why you failing to apply context and follow the discussion makes this is relevant to me.

Don't give me a 1000 words, just state what you understand the term to mean.

Oh ffs, here it is again...

Within Zionism, self-determination is defined as the fundamental right of the Jewish people to establish, maintain, and protect an independent Jewish state in their ancestral homeland. It is viewed as an indigenous liberation movement aiming to end centuries of persecution by creating a safe haven and restoring Jewish sovereignty.

Very simple.

It should be, but you want to pretend otherwise.