Eskom sees 4,000MW less power demand as South Africans find alternatives

[netstrider]

Honestly, none of that matters. The legal system in South Africa makes it very easy for a bunch of activists to bog down anything they don't like in judicial processes and court cases.

If Eskom wanted to try and build a nuclear power station, you would see an internationally funded NGO crop up and fight it tooth and nail in court, and delay it by decades.

Look at the case record here, this was just exploration for oil and gas.





https://dailyfriend.co.za/2021/12/31/exploration-blocked-because-dead-people-live-in-the-sea/

Can you imagine what would happen with nuclear? The retards already tried to block Koeberg from continuing to operate by getting an activist onto the committee that issues licences.

NNR Court case: Deadline for ConCourt appeal passes

As described in a previous post both Minister Mantashe and the National Nuclear Regulator (NNR) appealed against Peter Becker’s victory in the Western Cape High Court in January 2023. Despite…

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There needs to be a considerable legislation change around everything regarding licensing that defangs the watermelon activists from delaying nuclear energy installations. Until that happens, all nuclear is dead in the water.

My point is people should educate themselves on the technology. Nuclear is a zero emission clean energy source that runs reliably for decades and uses very little fuel, comparatively, in terms of volumetric footprint.

The levelised cost of energy is remarkably low over a plant's lifecycle. They run at ~90%+ capacity factors for decades. Fully amortized plants can produce electricity at some of the lowest costs of any source. Not to mention they are routinely licensed for 60 years +.

So yes, it is expensive up-front - but it becomes cheaper and is inherently reliable.

Again, it has been endorsed as a clean energy source: https://world-nuclear.org/our-assoc...ear-outlook-report/global-energy-developments

 

[netstrider]

Except it is that expensive in the long run? That's the main issue that nuclear has, it's not economically viable.
The only ones that can build it are governments that can take major loans at low interest rates, and even then it's still the most expensive form of modern power generation connected to grids.

Yes I can, get over it.

No, it's not that expensive in the long-term. The fuel itself is very cheap. It's only the initial outlay that's expensive and that gets mitigated the longer the plant runs, which it does with less hassle than other sources.

Anyway. You don't argue in good faith. Cheers.

 

[konfab]

My point is people should educate themselves on the technology. Nuclear is a zero emission clean energy source that runs reliably for decades and uses very little fuel, comparatively, in terms of volumetric footprint.

The levelised cost of energy is remarkably low over a plant's lifecycle. They run at ~90%+ capacity factors for decades. Fully amortized plants can produce electricity at some of the lowest costs of any source. Not to mention they are routinely licensed for 60 years +.

So yes, it is expensive up-front - but it becomes cheaper and is inherently reliable.

Again, it has been endorsed as a clean energy source: https://world-nuclear.org/our-assoc...ear-outlook-report/global-energy-developments

You don't have to educate me. I am a huge fan of the technology. But right now, you will never get access to it unless you can vote harder and get the ANC/DA to change the legislation. And then find someone willing to finance it at an extremely low interest rate.

Meanwhile, you can spend a 100-200k on a solar system that will be paid off in <5 years. And that logic applies even more so to utility scale investors.

 

[denmendez65]

No, it's not that expensive in the long-term. The fuel itself is very cheap. It's only the initial outlay that's expensive and that gets mitigated the longer the plant runs, which it does with less hassle than other sources.

Anyway. You don't argue in good faith. Cheers.

Cost of Nuclear Waste Management in the US

 

[Vorastra]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2046888388599460040

 

[biena]

The only way Eskom could realistically stop the freefall is to win back customers by lowering electricity prices.

Makes no sense. once a customer spent money to move away from Eskom that is it. Until the installation pays back for itself Eskom will not be considered. Only way I see it happening is is Eskom lowers prices to below what solar costs. Even then customers is fed up with Eskom.

 

[ISP cash cow]

The issue also is a lot of people moved to solar in the first place because of the unreliability of ESkom's grid. So they went solar with batteries, to buffer for those days when the grid was off.

Loadshedding may be gone but the grid is still not as reliable as it should be as we are still having power outages. My business and home grids have both been without power a number of times even though loadshedding is not here anymore. I would rather have a service that helps cut that "without power days" to nothing where the solar and batteries can provide what the grid cannot on those off days and then can also save me on my electricity bill while prices just keep getting more expensive every year.

 

[bixt]

"While it forecasted a peak demand of 24,523MW, the maximum recorded was 23,912MW. That meant there was a 14,070MW gap between generation and demand."

You guys are arguing over an AI generated artikel.

 

[bixt]

My point is people should educate themselves on the technology. Nuclear is a zero emission clean energy source that runs reliably for decades and uses very little fuel, comparatively, in terms of volumetric footprint.

The levelised cost of energy is remarkably low over a plant's lifecycle. They run at ~90%+ capacity factors for decades. Fully amortized plants can produce electricity at some of the lowest costs of any source. Not to mention they are routinely licensed for 60 years +.

So yes, it is expensive up-front - but it becomes cheaper and is inherently reliable.

Again, it has been endorsed as a clean energy source: https://world-nuclear.org/our-assoc...ear-outlook-report/global-energy-developments

Include cadre need to eats and recalc please?

 

[bixt]

The issue also is a lot of people moved to solar in the first place because of the unreliability of ESkom's grid. So they went solar with batteries, to buffer for those days when the grid was off.

Loadshedding may be gone but the grid is still not as reliable as it should be as we are still having power outages. My business and home grids have both been without power a number of times even though loadshedding is not here anymore. I would rather have a service that helps cut that "without power days" to nothing where the solar and batteries can provide what the grid cannot on those off days and then can also save me on my electricity bill while prices just keep getting more expensive every year.

Yeah, people put it in to buffer load shedding.

The cost savings came for most as a welcome but mostly unknown to them side effect.

And now word has spread.

 

[The Gilded]

Plenty of FBE and electricity theft going on to use up all that excess.

Only 4% of Alexandra, Mountain View, Tshepisong, River Park, Pennyville and Vlakfontein, etc pay for their electricity…
Recent collection efforts increased this to 11% payment rate.
This collection rate is for JHB, but is the same in most of ZA.
see https://www.citizen.co.za/news/sout...llects-7-more-revenue-from-customers-in-alex/
see https://www.sowetan.co.za/news/sout...ity-power-customers-dont-pay-for-electricity/

As always, we subsidise those who refuse to pay. Then the municipalities refuse to pay Eskom as they misappropriate the money for themselves. Out of every R100 I spend on electricity, probably no more than R20 goes to Eskom.