SA Politics Thread Part 13 The Days of Madlanga

Inertia said:
Not following?

I read the article, I can't help but think it's an X based analysis, buying into paid campaigns and a few disgruntled suburbanites who have absolutely zero idea how good they have it. Joburg charges much more than CPT and there is zero delivery. Taxpayers subsidize the ANC caucus and their corruption.
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in that article - this is the most salient point for atlantic seaboard:
For many, the issue is not only financial but relational: a growing sense that they are no longer being heard.
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rietrot said:
Stats don't you matter in politics. Only perception and feelings does. People vote based on how they feel. That is just a fact.

I don't think the DA has much real support. But a lot of people just holding their nose and voting for them anyway because the alternatives are worse.

What am I wrong about?
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When every other city looks like a warzone the "feeling" is that the DA is doing a better job, DA voters aren't going to change their votes.
 
rietrot said:
Anyway. I can here to try uncover what's happening. Obviously Cyril wasn't going to resign. Is there a real attempt to kick him out? Last I heard is DA support the GNU and Cyril but now they are also pretending to care about the money in his coach for their more delusional/hopeful fans?
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Yes, there is a MONC coming, so people are desperately working hard to kick him out.
 
rietrot said:
False equivalence. Jhb is a complete shíthole and saying, but CPT is run slightly better is a bad example. People are tiered of the DAs incompetence, that doesn't mean they are now voting ANC themselves. They either won't vote or vote for someone like VF.

It looks bad for the DA however that they are failing a lot of their rate payers in CPT aswell when they actually want to win in the rest of the country. We in JHB or PTA already to deal with their failed experiment and collisions. CPT is supposed to be the model that shows they know what they are doing.

They should do better.
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I wouldn't say the DA is "failing" in CPT. That's a bit harsh. I'm generally happy with the standard of service delivery and that things get fixed within a good period of time. I don't have water failures consistently (unlike JHB) or have to navigate gigantic potholes. There are just some elements of city council policy that are irritating.
 
TheChamp said:
But you asked if the process continues until the report is reviewed, yes it does, because the report has not been successfully reviewed, but once that report is reviewed there is nothing the impeachment Committee can do, even if they had already taken a decision, that decision will be null and void.

Remember parliament had already taken a decision and ConCourt said no, what happened to the decision, null and void.

There is not confusion.
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The court said no on procedural rules.
If the impeachment committee/the ANC or the GNU want to impeach or recall Ramaphosa they can. Just follow the correct procedure this time.

The ANC will only do that if they elected someone new. So whatever is happening at the moment seems to be performative only.
 
rietrot said:
The court said no on procedural rules.
If the impeachment committee/the ANC or the GNU want to impeach or recall Ramaphosa they can. Just follow the correct procedure this time.

The ANC will only do that if they elected someone new. So whatever is happening at the moment seems to be performative only.
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Under no circumstances would the ANC impeach their own President, unless he is defiant the way Zuma was, even the paries who are making noise and swearing therir allegiance to the constitution would never impeach or even join other parties in removing their own president, mayor or anyone.
 
CTBP said:
When every other city looks like a warzone the "feeling" is that the DA is doing a better job, DA voters aren't going to change their votes.
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So we basically agree. You just didn't like that I said slightly better instead of just better. Okay.
 
rietrot said:
So we basically agree. You just didn't like that I said slightly better instead of just better. Okay.
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I think we do, but yes slightly better is a understatement if we look at the state of the other cities in RSA.
 
TheChamp said:
Under no circumstances would the ANC impeach their own President, unless he is defiant the way Zuma was, even the paries who are making noise and swearing therir allegiance to the constitution would never impeach or even join other parties in removing their own president, mayor or anyone.
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The ANC has basically kicked out every one of their presidents to install the new guy after their elective conference, except Mandela, which only happens next year.

To remove Cyril you need the DA, EFF, and MK and whoever else to team up against the ANC. Probably not going to happen.
Or the RET ANC guys to betray the ANC also probably not going to happen.

We are still more than a year away from having to worry about this.
 
We really are decidedly poor with the creativity when it comes to nicknames as a country... we need to do better.
 
Inertia said:
You are not a legal expert. No doubt Cereal will say the impeachment proceedings must pause while he takes it on review. Then parliament will get a legal opinion. Then Cereal will interdict parliament from proceeding from going ahead. We have been down this road before with you ANC criminals
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Yeah, but the President has no intention of interdicting parliament, he is not Zuma and does not believe in dragging things forever. Interdicting the process would not look good politically, so it's not in his interest to do that.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2054100849995956669
 
TheChamp said:
Again the Son of the soil socializing with questionable characters, no wonder he is so desperate to bring Cyril down, he knows he is not going to survive this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2054092986061844758
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Funniest thing is when I saw the son of the soil at the Grand (a fancy venue in Cape Town) while at an engagement party (just to be clear, he wasn't part of the engagement party - the venue is very large, so the engagement party didn't book out the whole venue). He preaches socialism while practising the fruits of capitalism.
 
Vox Populi Vox Dei said:
Funniest thing is when I saw the son of the soil at the Grand (a fancy venue in Cape Town) while at an engagement party (just to be clear, he wasn't part of the engagement party - the venue is very large, so the engagement party didn't book out the whole venue). He preaches socialism while practising the fruits of capitalism.
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Juju is the definition of a champagne socialist.
 
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