Cape Town's elderly targeted for selling baked goods, rental by-law claims

[GrootVoet]

I wonder if there is not something more to this story that is not told?

 

[wingnut771]

I bet they would.

I bet you won’t vote for them and give them a chance and let’s see.

 

[rietrot]

What does this mean? You're okay with them enforcing bylaws except if the breakers are foreigners or squatters?

If you want to go by the book, they should just scrap the retarded bylaw. But in many instances reasonable governments just stop enforcing stupid and outdated laws. The argument that a law on the books should just be enforced without question as if it was handed down from God is really silly.

Zoning wise you don't want someone to open a scrapyard or factory in a residential area. That is what the bylaw is intended to police. That is the spirit of the law.

Someone selling melktert and koeksusters is not a problem.

This is a really bad look for the DA as it shows their priorities is not where it should be.

 

[Jan]

Statement from Alderman Eddie Andrews, the City’s Deputy Mayor and Mayoral Committee for Spatial Planning and Environment:

The City received complaints from the community in Hanover Park about homeowners who are operating small businesses from their homes.

The City investigated these complaints and then served notices on owners who were found to be contravening the zoning of their properties.

The zoning determines what a property may be used for, for example for residential purposes or for a business and all residents across Cape Town must comply with the zoning of their properties. All properties are assigned zoning categories that regulate what types of development and activities are permitted on them. Zoning is necessary to ensure that land is used in a way that is safe, organised and compatible with the surrounding area.

The same laws and by-laws apply equally to all residents, regardless of their circumstances, or the neighbourhood.

There is a solution to this challenge.

Residents who want to operate a house shop from their homes can submit a land use application to the City for assessment in terms of the Municipal Planning By-law. Should the City approve this application, the applicant must comply with the relevant conditions applicable to that approval.

We invite residents to please go to this link: Applications and submissions (capetown.gov.za) for more information about how to apply for permission to operate a house shop.

Residents can also phone the Development Management Cape Flats Hub office on 021 401 4702 or email [email protected] for applications and assistance.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

If you want to go by the book, they should just scrap the retarded bylaw. But in many instances reasonable governments just stop enforcing stupid and outdated laws.

Zoning wise you don't want someone to open a scrapyard or factory in a residential area. That is what the bylaw is intended to police. That is the spirit of the law.

Someone selling melktert and koeksusters is not a problem.

This is a really bad look for the DA as it shows their priorities is not where it should be.

What do you think of people who buy mansions in residential areas and then use the places to hold events?

 

[rietrot]

What do you think of people who buy mansions in residential areas and then use the places to hold events?

Really annoying. But also not top priority.

It should probably be shutdown if there is continuously late night noise complaints.

I have absolutely no problem with daytime functions.

 

[wingnut771]

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Residents who want to operate a house shop from their homes can submit a land use application to the City for assessment in terms of the Municipal Planning By-law. Should the City approve this application, the applicant must comply with the relevant conditions applicable to that approval.

We invite residents to please go to this link: Applications and submissions (capetown.gov.za) for more information about how to apply for permission to operate a house shop.

Residents can also phone the Development Management Cape Flats Hub office on 021 401 4702 or email [email protected] for applications and assistance.

What zoning is Dunoon? Do residents in Dunoon need to submit land use application?

 

[wingnut771]

What do you think of people who buy mansions in residential areas and then use the places to hold events?

How many mansions are we talking about here?

 

[vigras rojara]

If you want to go by the book, they should just scrap the retarded bylaw. But in many instances reasonable governments just stop enforcing stupid and outdated laws. The argument that a law on the books should just be enforced without question as if it was handed down from God is really silly.

Zoning wise you don't want someone to open a scrapyard or factory in a residential area. That is what the bylaw is intended to police. That is the spirit of the law.

Someone selling melktert and koeksusters is not a problem.

This is a really bad look for the DA as it shows their priorities is not where it should be.

It's a difficult one really. I mean zoning regulations have to be adhered to, otherwise where does one draw the line? Health and safety standards are important too, particularly when food is involved.

Telling an old auntie that she can't supplement her meagre income by selling some home baked goods just doesn't feel right though.

Eish.

 

[wingnut771]

Really annoying. But also not top priority.

It should probably be shutdown if there is continuously late night noise complaints.

Even nightclubs/bars need to stop making noise after a certain time.

 

[Nerfherder]

Statement from Alderman Eddie Andrews, the City’s Deputy Mayor and Mayoral Committee for Spatial Planning and Environment:

The City received complaints from the community in Hanover Park about homeowners who are operating small businesses from their homes.

The City investigated these complaints and then served notices on owners who were found to be contravening the zoning of their properties.

The zoning determines what a property may be used for, for example for residential purposes or for a business and all residents across Cape Town must comply with the zoning of their properties. All properties are assigned zoning categories that regulate what types of development and activities are permitted on them. Zoning is necessary to ensure that land is used in a way that is safe, organised and compatible with the surrounding area.

The same laws and by-laws apply equally to all residents, regardless of their circumstances, or the neighbourhood.

There is a solution to this challenge.

Residents who want to operate a house shop from their homes can submit a land use application to the City for assessment in terms of the Municipal Planning By-law. Should the City approve this application, the applicant must comply with the relevant conditions applicable to that approval.

We invite residents to please go to this link: Applications and submissions (capetown.gov.za) for more information about how to apply for permission to operate a house shop.

Residents can also phone the Development Management Cape Flats Hub office on 021 401 4702 or email [email protected] for applications and assistance.

So the truth is that people complained. It wasn't the DA looking for trouble.

Perhaps that is why bylaws exist, to help deal with public nusance.

 

[rietrot]

It's a difficult one really. I mean zoning regulations have to be adhered to, otherwise where does one draw the line? Health and safety standards are important too, particularly when food is involved too.

Telling an old auntie that she can't supplement her meagre income by selling some home baked goods just doesn't feel right though.

Eish.

It is really easy to draw the line. If you have to nanny people about food safety when there isn't any dying children, you are way over the line.

Bringing up safety is a huge Karen red flag.

 

[vigras rojara]

It is really easy to draw the line. If you have to nanny people about food safety when there isn't any dying children, you are way over the line.

Bringing up safety is a huge Karen red flag.

Nah, can't agree with that. Food safety standards have to be maintained or people will and do cut corners.

I'm talking about commercial food enterprises generally here.

 

[MrGray]

There obviously needs to be some defined threshold to differentiate between simply baking a few cakes and koeksisters for the local home industry store (or weekly market stall) for some extra bucks and running a full scale commercial operation out of your kitchen.

 

[A3@MBB]

If you want to go by the book, they should just scrap the retarded bylaw. But in many instances reasonable governments just stop enforcing stupid and outdated laws. The argument that a law on the books should just be enforced without question as if it was handed down from God is really silly.

Zoning wise you don't want someone to open a scrapyard or factory in a residential area. That is what the bylaw is intended to police. That is the spirit of the law.

Someone selling melktert and koeksusters is not a problem.

And when drains clog or sewer pumps fail of all the used koeksister oil going down the drain? Who carries the cost? Each and every property owner - which complain every year that rates and taxes increase over and above inflation.

Residential developments are designed with a median applied to all infrastructure development.

 

[wingnut771]

And when drains clog or sewer pumps fail of all the used koeksister oil going down the drain? Who carries the cost? Each and every property owner - which complain every year that rates and taxes increase over and above inflation.

Residential developments are designed with a median applied to all infrastructure development.

Who throws oil down the drain with the current diesel prices?

 

[rietrot]

Nah, can't agree with that. Food safety standards have to be maintained or people will and do cut corners.

I'm talking about commercial food enterprises generally here.

Yes exactly. But on a small scale when it is home-baked goods it is u reasonable to expect the same level of compliance. The risk is very minimal.

This is not a problem. This is not the people selling expired stuff making people sick.

And then again I have gotten sick of KFC who has commercial kitchens and are supposed to follow all the health standards.

If you are creating fake hypothetical problems to solve you are way over the line.

 

[vigras rojara]

Yes exactly. But on a small scale when it is home-baked goods it is u reasonable to expect the same level of compliance. The risk is very minimal.

This is not a problem. This is not the people selling expired stuff making people sick.

And then again I have gotten sick of KFC who has commercial kitchens and are supposed to follow all the health standards.

If you are creating fake hypothetical problems to solve you are way over the line.

Sure, no system is perfect. I'd guess you'd have got sick a lot more often if it was a free for all though.

I agree that there should be some kind of threshold that exempts occasional or small scale traders. How that would be formalised is another matter.

 

[Nerfherder]

There obviously needs to be some defined threshold to differentiate between simply baking a few cakes and koeksisters for the local home industry store (or weekly market stall) for some extra bucks and running a full scale commercial operation out of your kitchen.

and if people complained then it was most likely the latter.

 

[rietrot]

And when drains clog or sewer pumps fail of all the used koeksister oil going down the drain? Who carries the cost? Each and every property owner - which complain every year that rates and taxes increase over and above inflation.

Residential developments are designed with a median applied to all infrastructure development.

I don't understand how you think you can replace the stupid "but baking cake is dangerous" argument with something even more stupid.