Government considering new RAF tax because of EVs: Creecy

Why the extra 40% tax on top of EVs then? How much Johnnie walker blue and cream soda can a govt official drink?
 
Swa said:
A fair system is where you pay by how much you drive. I insist on that if I have to pay for insurance.


It isn't. That's only for damage cover.
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Then don't drive if you can't afford 3rd party insurance.

What damage cover are you referring to?
 
bwana said:
That's exactly how it works in most states (US) and in the UK. Insurance is a requirement for licensing.

Pretty simple concept. If you don't have coverage and are responsible for damages and/or injuries you pay for your mistakes out of your pocket. If you get pulled over and you don't have coverage your vehicle is impounded until you pay a fine and insure your vehicle.
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In some US states insurance is a requirement for registration. There is no requirement for renewing the license, why you have to carry it with you. If you get pulled over without insurance you get fined. If you cause an accident and are uninsured the state pays.

bwana said:
If there's a demand it will be offered.
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We can't rely on assumptions. Besides if there are such options it becomes non-standardised meaning some people will be underinsured.

bwana said:
I have to wonder if people who can't afford even minimal insurance can afford to keep their vehicle in a roadworthy condition.
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I'm sorry but that is a bit snobbish to me. Just because someone doesn't need to or doesn't want to drive more than 50km a month doesn't mean they are a armgat who can't manage the upkeep of their vehicle. There are also plenty of people who can do it themselves.

This is about the principle. A person who can't afford the extra insurance would likely also not be able to afford the petrol currently to drive more. But now someone who doesn't drive a lot would need to pay multiple times what they do just to subsidise those who do or use their vehicles commercially.

This is more about people who are the real hazard on the road wanting others to help pay for them which is why the old system was abolished and won't be returning.
 
ToxicBunny said:
The don't drive if you can't afford 3rd party insurance.
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Again a snobbish statement. I don't see why I have to pay hundreds or more to subsidise others. I already pay enough tax.

ToxicBunny said:
What damage cover are you referring to?
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Third party insurance only covers vehicle damage. If it becomes a replacement for the RAF it would need to cover injury as well.
 
Swa said:
Again a snobbish statement. I don't see why I have to pay hundreds or more to subsidise others. I already pay enough tax.


Third party insurance only covers vehicle damage. If it becomes a replacement for the RAF it would need to cover injury as well.
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Shame, if you can't afford it don't drive.

Then get personal liability cover for the rest, make it R130 to R230 a month.
 
Swa said:
some US states insurance is a requirement for registration. There is no requirement for renewing the license, why you have to carry it with you. If you get pulled over without insurance you get fined. If you cause an accident and are uninsured the state pays.
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Licence in the South African context as it refers to vehicle licensing.
 
bwana said:
Licence in the South African context as it refers to vehicle licensing.
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That is not how it works in the US. Licensing is registering your vehicle.
 
ToxicBunny said:
How about you fsck off with demanding shyte that you can't afford and impact everyone else?
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Or you pay your dues like you currently do without being subsidised by others. That was the whole e-toll debacle.
 
Swa said:
Or you pay your dues like you currently do without being subsidised by others. That was the whole e-toll debacle.
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Shame.. I do, how about you do the same and get insurance, free loader.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Shame.. I do, how about you do the same and get insurance, free loader.
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I have insurance, it's called RAF. That was the whole point behind it so you can't dodge it.
 
Swa said:
That is not how it works in the US. Licensing is registering your vehicle.
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Vehicles are registered, or licensed in a SA vernacular, annually in the three states I've owned and operated vehicles in. Insurance was compulsory and mandatory for the annual registration. How did the procedure differ there for you?
 
bwana said:
Vehicles are registered, or licensed in a SA vernacular, annually in the three states I've owned and operated vehicles in. Insurance was compulsory and mandatory for the annual registration. How did the procedure differ there for you?
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That is not the info I'm getting, the whole reason you have to carry it with you otherwise that would be unnecessary.
 
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