Krugersdorp girl killed in hunting tragedy

[Cray]

Uh huh, yes, and hunting is about taking pot shots at a wild animal.

Hunting is the human practice of seeking, pursuing, capturing, and killing wildlife or feral animals.

chasing and killing an animal or bird for food, sport, or profit:

Might not qualify as hunting in terms of how you do it, but it pretty much satisifies most definitions of the word.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

Might not qualify as hunting in terms of how you do it, but it pretty much satisifies most definitions of the word.

Where does your definition mention "potshots" or any definition of what a potshot is ?

 

[Cray]

Where does your definition mention "potshots" or any definition of what a potshot is ?

a shot that is fired carelessly or with little preparation

Or are you trying to argue that hunters all show the same level of skill and preparation? Bad hunters are still hunters. Just accept that the people in the story are differnent from you even though you both engage in hunting

 

[Nerfherder]

Or are you trying to argue that hunters all show the same level of skill and preparation? Bad hunters are still hunters. Just accept that the people in the story are differnent from you even thought you both engaged in hunting

Sounds spot on.

a shot that is fired carelessly or with little preparation

No reason to defend something like that.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

Or are you trying to argue that hunters all show the same level of skill and preparation? Bad hunters are still hunters. Just accept that the people in the story are differnent from you even thought you both engaged in hunting

I'm not arguing anything, you decided to quote my post, and I don't have to accept it just because the media outlets or you want to frame it as a "hunting tragedy", it's a religious ritual / sacrifice.
I said, I would still not classify either of them as a "hunting tragedy."
I'm already aware of where you want to take this discussion or have your "gotcha" moment, like I told your friend already, please try that with someone else.

 

[Cray]

I'm not arguing anything, you decided to quote my post, and I don't have to accept it just because the media outlets or you want to frame it as a "hunting tragedy", it's a religious ritual / sacrifice.

Which religion involves shooting an animal with a firearm?

I said, I would still not classify either of them as a "hunting tragedy."
I'm already aware of where you want to take this discussion or have your "gotcha" moment, like I told your friend already, please try that with someone else.

It's not a gotch statement, hunters are like any other group. Most are good, some are bad, no need to take it personally or invent some weird aoutlanding name just because you are afraid it might make other hunters look bad.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

Which religion involves shooting an animal with a firearm?


It's not a gotch statement, hunters are like any other group. Most are good, some are bad, no need to take it personally or invent some weird aoutlanding name just because you are afraid it might make other hunters look bad.

I'm not taking anything personal, you are doing all of this, because you, your friend and some of the media wants to blame the firearm, or hunting for these incidents.

I'm not an expert on different religion, traditions, cultures etc. you are asking the wrong person.

I've just said with the minimal information and no context really available, I would not classify either of them as a "hunting tragedy."

 

[Cray]

I'm not taking anything personal, you are doing all of this, because you, your friend and some of the media wants to blame the firearm, or hunting for these incidents.

I have zero interest in blaming "hunting or firearms" for this, just like I don't blame all drivers for the stupidity of people who cause accidents.

I'm not an expert on different religion, traditions, cultures etc. you are asking the wrong person.

Then perhaps you shouldn't have made the claim that this was a religious ritual.

I've just said with the minimal information and no context really available, I would not classify either of them as a "hunting tragedy."

Meh, in the absence of further information, seems appropriate to me. Calling it a ritualistic killing gone wrong certainly doesn't work because I cannot think of a single religion that engages in ritual slaughter with a gun.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

I have zero interest in blaming "hunting or firearms" for this, just like I don't blame all drivers for the stupidity of people who cause accidents.

Uh huh.

Then perhaps you shouldn't have made the claim that this was a religious ritual.

Well hunting doesn't involve a bunch of people scattered in all directions, bringing an animal on a trailer to an enclosure, tied up with a rope and hoping nothing goes south...

Meh, in the absence of further information, seems appropriate to me. Calling it a ritualistic killing gone wrong certainly doesn't work because I cannot think of a single religion that engages in ritual slaughter with a gun.

Oh so you are an expert on religion, traditions and cultures, apologies Professor I wasn't aware.

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

Meh, in the absence of further information, seems appropriate to me. Calling it a ritualistic killing gone wrong certainly doesn't work because I cannot think of a single religion that engages in ritual slaughter with a gun.

A TRAGIC accident during Eid al-Adha celebrations last week, has left a family mourning the loss of 12-year-old Amatullah Bint Ismail Mungur, who was killed after she was hit by a stray bullet on a secluded farm in Franschhoek, near Ficksburg in the Free State.

The incident occurred on the morning of May 29, when Amatullah accompanied her family to the remote hunting farm where a cow was to be slaughtered for distribution among relatives and friends during the Muslim religious festival of Eid al-Adha.

From here, previously mentioned article.

Further from here, mentioned previously:

First: The lawful slaughter of an animal is performed in one of the following methods:​

1. Cutting the animal’s throat (Dhabḥ): it consists of cutting the esophagus, the two jugular veins, and the pharynx of the This is the method preferred by Shariah for slaughtering cattle, sheep, goats, and poultry. It is also permissible for other animals.
2. Plunging a knife in the base of the neck (Naḥr): This is the method preferred by Shariah for slaughtering camels and similar animals. This method is also permissible for the cattle.
3. Wounding (ʿAqr): it consists in wounding an animal when there is no other choice, at any part of the body. This method is applied for wild animals hunting of which is lawful, or ferocious domestic If the animal is captured alive, it should be slaughtered using the first or the second method

So given the context, they were probably trying to wound the animal (3) prior to slaughtering, then proceeding to (2). Otherwise the event makes no sense as a shoot to kill would be impermissible as per "It is forbidden to kill an animal with a non-sharpened instrument".

 

[G'Wobblez]

Calling it a hunting accident is like calling shooting fish in a barrel a deap sea fishing trip.

 

[Ninja'd]

Calling it a hunting accident is like calling shooting fish in a barrel a deap sea fishing trip.

Is fishing considered hunting?

 

[B-1]

Is fishing considered hunting?

Not if you carelessly fire a hand gun into the lake where people are swimming hoping to bag a fish.

 

[Nerfherder]

Calling it a hunting accident is like calling shooting fish in a barrel a deap sea fishing trip.

So I think there is some confusion because of the unrelated video that was posted.
In this case they were actually hunting a feral cow in an open field for the purposes of slaughter.
It was not a domestic animal and was not in an enclosure.

 

[G'Wobblez]

Is fishing considered hunting?

It's acctually called an even more expensive pointless hobby... but i digress

 

[Maurice Kitching]

Is fishing considered hunting?

No, but spearfishing is.

 

[Suspect99]

Yeah. Think the mods should delete posts referencing the unrelated vid. Its causing mass confusion