Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 11

AlmightyBender said:
Agree. The Russians hold nothing sacred so they should receive the same treatment in return.

Their culture is utter garbage if it has produced what we currently have so I see no sense in valuing it. They have dehumanised themselves.
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That's one hell of a generalisation to make about 145m people. Few of the Russians I know are invested in the war. That's like judging all South Africans by what the ANC does, or all blacks by @TheChamp's standards.
 
Maurice Kitching said:
That's one hell of a generalisation to make about 145m people. Few of the Russians I know are invested in the war. That's like judging all South Africans by what the ANC does, or all blacks by @TheChamp's standards.
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Actually I'm generalising way more people cause it's all of them over time.

Russia as a country has consistently made the world a worse place for the last 100 years. For both their own citizens and everyone else in the world due to their authoritarianism and aggression and corruption.

Something is very very broken in that country.

And yes if any individuals that support nonsense then they should be judged. Anybody on this earth that supports Putin is a savage barbarian.
 
AlmightyBender said:
Actually I'm generalising way more people cause it's all of them over time.

Russia as a country has consistently made the world a worse place for the last 100 years. For both their own citizens and everyone else in the world due to their authoritarianism and aggression and corruption.

Something is very very broken in that country.

And yes if any individuals that support nonsense then they should be judged. Anybody on this earth that supports Putin is a savage barbarian.
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The people who won the Second World War have made the world a worse place for the last 100 years. Gotcha.

I try to stay out of this thread because people are generally badly informed, know little of history, culture or economics, and are so cognitively biased that it is pointless to try to engage. I have business interests and partners on both sides of that border, and I can tell you that nothing that you think you see is what it is.

What you say above just makes your generalisation worse, and your lack of nuance belies the one-sidedness with which people like you view the world around them.
 
Maurice Kitching said:
The people who won the Second World War have made the world a worse place for the last 100 years. Gotcha.

I try to stay out of this thread because people are generally badly informed, know little of history, culture or economics, and are so cognitively biased that it is pointless to try to engage. I have business interests and partners on both sides of that border, and I can tell you that nothing that you think you see is what it is.

What you say above just makes your generalisation worse, and your lack of nuance belies the one-sidedness with which people like you view the world around them.
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Bro they were allies with the Nazis from the start. The Nazis betrayed them cause evil always turns on its own allies. Just like Trump is doing with the US right now. That is the ONLY reason they fought against Germany. They were very happy to partner with the Nazi's at the start.

And you lecture me about knowing little of history. Please.

And what have they done since then? Terrorized millions people and caused the entire world to waste trillions of dollars in military spending. They do nothing other than hold humanity back. They need to fix themselves and their culture like Germany and Japan did.
 
AlmightyBender said:
Bro they were allies with the Nazis from the start. The Nazis betrayed them cause evil always turns on its own allies. Just like Trump is doing with the US right now. That is the ONLY reason they fought against Germany. They were very happy to partner with the Nazi's at the start.

And you lecture me about knowing little of history. Please.

And what have they done since then? Terrorized millions people and caused the entire world to waste trillions of dollars in military spending. They do nothing other than hold humanity back. They need to fix themselves and their culture like Germany and Japan did.
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As I said.
 
AlmightyBender said:
Actually I'm generalising way more people cause it's all of them over time.

Russia as a country has consistently made the world a worse place for the last 100 years. For both their own citizens and everyone else in the world due to their authoritarianism and aggression and corruption.

Something is very very broken in that country.

And yes if any individuals that support nonsense then they should be judged. Anybody on this earth that supports Putin is a savage barbarian.
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A loooong line of leaders who do not value life - Tsars, the Soviets, Putin. And the general attitude ethnic Russians have historically held towards the minority groups (forced internal displacement and depopulation of minorities and colonisation thereof by ethnic Russians).

Outside of Moscow, St Petersburg and a handful of modernised cities, the average Russian lives a tough life in often harsh environments with very bleak outlooks, and it gets even worse for those living in the ethnic republics.

Perfect setup for brutal, careless leaders as they have access to a disposable populace who rarely ever pushes back.

Minority ethnic groups are disproportionately represented in the conscripted Russian forces. In the context of this war, the ethnic minorities are also easily lured with military contracts because it is a chance for them to get out of their bleak situations back home. So, the minorities have become cheap cannon fodder, used and treated only better than the African fodder recruits (who themselves are lured to fight with false promises and opportunities.
 
Maurice Kitching said:
The people who won the Second World War have made the world a worse place for the last 100 years. Gotcha.

I try to stay out of this thread because people are generally badly informed, know little of history, culture or economics, and are so cognitively biased that it is pointless to try to engage. I have business interests and partners on both sides of that border, and I can tell you that nothing that you think you see is what it is.

What you say above just makes your generalisation worse, and your lack of nuance belies the one-sidedness with which people like you view the world around them.
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Wahahahahahaha the people who won the Second World War... Are you sure you don't mean the Great Patriotic War since you're so invested in Russian propaganda.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Wahahahahahaha the people who won the Second World War... Are you sure you don't mean the Great Patriotic War since you're so invested in Russian propaganda.
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I don't take part in this thread as the idiocy levels are even higher than on the rest of the forum. As mentioned, I'm invested in both those countries for their coal reserves, and a firm with both Russian and Ukrainian partners. Ukraine desperately needs coke. Russian anthracite is excellent quality with very high fixed C. We mine this in the Arctic circle. Like everything else, if you understand shipping and trade, you can land Russian anthracite in Ukraine for use as reductant in their steel smelters and you can get the EU and America to pay for it. You guys understand so little, and have so much to say. Even now, there's nuance to everything.

I'll stick to my sources of info in Russia and Ukraine. You can follow Joe on Twitter.
 
Maurice Kitching said:
As I said.
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Actually, he is not wrong about Russia being a Nazi ally, and that they only "helped win the second world war" becuase Hitler did indeed stab them in the back. Stalin then decided to celebrate by murdering millions of his citizens, and then started trying to take over the entire world.

Yes, I know it's the regimes fault, but I haven't seen any major civilian uprisings the last 80 ears or so.

But yes, there will be many millions who do not support the regimes. But overall, Russia the country and nation, has been a boil on the world for many decades.
 
Maurice Kitching said:
I don't take part in this thread as the idiocy levels are even higher than on the rest of the forum. As mentioned, I'm invested in both those countries for their coal reserves, and a firm with both Russian and Ukrainian partners. Ukraine desperately needs coke. Russian anthracite is excellent quality with very high fixed C. We mine this in the Arctic circle. Like everything else, if you understand shipping and trade, you can land Russian anthracite in Ukraine for use as reductant in their steel smelters and you can get the EU and America to pay for it. You guys understand so little, and have so much to say. Even now, there's nuance to everything.

I'll stick to my sources of info in Russia and Ukraine. You can follow Joe on Twitter.
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Economical greed does not change the facts of war-mongering.
 
Putin's Worst Nightmare

On 8th June, Vladimir Putin ordered his two grown daughters and their three children to hide in the palatial family bunker on the Black Sea after learning that an AI-powered facial recognition technology had hunted down Iran’s supreme leader in February. Israeli intelligence had created a “Killer AI” that extracted video from all of Tehran’s CCTV traffic cameras to identify faces, movements, and habits of its top leaders. It knew where they all were at any given time. Putin was already heavily guarded and always flanked by bodyguards, stand-in doubles, and food tasters for protection. However, Israel’s frightening invention and Ukraine’s extraordinary AI expertise made it clear that there was nowhere to hide. So he made changes and shut down a specialized CCTV network to prevent it from being exploited or hacked. Then, in May, Russia claimed Ukraine tried to assassinate Putin with a drone attack on the Kremlin and used that as an excuse to impose widespread Internet restrictions and localized blackouts on all Russian people. Noted a newspaper: “Putin is afraid of cameras.”

After Putin became alarmed, according to reliable reports, he also revamped the security protocols for himself and everyone around him. Even so, on June 10, another high-ranking Russian general was blown up as his car sped through Moscow’s streets late at night. Roughly 15 Russian military leaders have been assassinated so far, and, embarrassingly, the attack occurred close to a spot where, one year ago, another high-ranking general was killed in a similar car bomb attack. Russian state media also reported there had been an attempt to kill an employee of a scientific-industrial enterprise that evening.

All fingers pointed at Ukraine. But little is known about the clandestine Ukrainian networks or “black ops” operating inside Russia and Russia-controlled territories. They are successful and have been assassinating and attacking with increasing frequency, which is another reason why Putin has embarked on a draconian security clampdown.

However, Israel’s “AI target production machine” represents another level of danger. It is deadlier and was developed in conjunction with the U.S. military. The Israeli AI operation to assassinate the Ayatollah and others began by hacking all of Tehran’s traffic cameras so that its AI could determine the Supreme Leader’s previous movements and companions. It extracted video footage from these cameras over many years to analyse behavior. It knew who would meet whom, when, and where. The system analyzed all this footage, visual intelligence, and taped communications to build profiles for targeting purposes. The Ayatollah’s daily schedule, locales, and security measures were documented. And just before the target was identified and destroyed in February, Israelis disabled all of Iran’s cellular networks to prevent warnings.

Putin also knows that Ukrainians have surpassed Israel and everyone else technologically during the war. They have killer drones armed with AI that can identify Russian soldiers on a battlefield by recognizing facial contours and heat signatures. “A (Russian) soldier can walk across the field. Then he hears a drone flying overhead. He sits down, covering himself with his coat. Then the drone attacks, and he doesn’t go anymore,” explained a Ukrainian border guard in an interview with a Kyiv newspaper. Some Russians use special coats with ballistic protection that also aim to prevent their identification as enemies, but these coats do not work. “We can `see’ them (Russians) from a kilometre. They are especially visible during such cold weather. And also at night, when they are moving,” he said.

However, Israel’s Killer AI goes further and is essentially a “Big Brother” surveillance system. For instance, once anyone has been identified, the system generates detailed profiles of their movements, personal information from databases, and interactions. “Intelligence officials told the FT [Financial Times] that these modern systems already go beyond conventional facial or number plate recognition and enable the analysis of behavioural patterns, including people’s movements, relationships, changes in appearance, and recurring vehicle or walking routes. Capabilities like these are raising concerns in various countries, as they effectively turn urban camera networks into tools for mass analysis and surveillance. Once identified, the system automatically generates a detailed profile of an individual’s movements and interactions.”

(Note: China already has in place such a surveillance system with 200 million deployed CCTV cameras and microphones which monitor its population, allegedly to prevent crimes in public spaces.)

However, Israel’s AI goes a step further and can even identify obscured faces because it uses a neural network to identify 14 features on a face, which it then compares to its photo libraries. Once made aware of this, Putin must have panicked, which is why Russia moved rapidly to counteract the possibility that such Western AI could locate him or that, alternatively, Putin’s rivals could eliminate him. This year, drastic shutdowns began, and restrictions on Putin’s inner circle were also put in place. Anyone in contact with the dictator – from generals to chefs – cannot use internet-connected cellphones. They are required to use government transport only, not private vehicles, so that their movements can be monitored. Now the Kremlin has once again become a fortress and is completely wired and surveilled, as are the residences of all its staff. Some workers have been relocated to shelters, and anti-drone teams plus snipers are everywhere in Moscow.

Technology has turned Putin and the Russians into prey, instead of predators. Russia’s gigantic military is being shredded in the war and is slowly losing to Ukraine. Russia’s economy is being decimated as Ukraine’s $500 drones destroy or disable tanks worth millions. Kyiv’s digitized kill zone and drone army have turned the battlefield into a “turkey shoot” where 325,000 Russians have been killed just since February. The estimated number of Russians killed or wounded since February 2022 totals at least 1.2 million. Worse, the war is a stalemate that won’t end as long as Putin remains in charge. Fortunately, the difference now is that Putin’s biggest enemy is technology, and he knows that the war will end, whether he wants it to happen or not. It will end once there is an AI Killer with his name on it.
 
Maurice Kitching said:
I don't take part in this thread as the idiocy levels are even higher than on the rest of the forum. As mentioned, I'm invested in both those countries for their coal reserves, and a firm with both Russian and Ukrainian partners. Ukraine desperately needs coke. Russian anthracite is excellent quality with very high fixed C. We mine this in the Arctic circle. Like everything else, if you understand shipping and trade, you can land Russian anthracite in Ukraine for use as reductant in their steel smelters and you can get the EU and America to pay for it. You guys understand so little, and have so much to say. Even now, there's nuance to everything.

I'll stick to my sources of info in Russia and Ukraine. You can follow Joe on Twitter.
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So a lot of waffle about economics and raw materials, but parroting russian propaganda. And we understand so little.

Gotcha.
 
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