South African freight firms brace for mass anti-migrant protests

Brian_G said:
What's maybe good about this is Saffers saying enough is enough about job scarcity. Maybe one day they'll say the same about the ANC...
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Many don't and never will make the connection, it requires neurons they don't have.
Those who do think voting could affect change, will continue to vote for the same or worse alternatives who promise easy solutions and accelerate the same problems or create new ones.

Just know it'll get much worse and plan your life accordingly.
There's zero good news to salvage from any of this.
 
RaptorSA said:
Many don't and never will make the connection, it requires neurons they don't have.
Those who do think voting could affect change, will continue to vote for the same or worse alternatives who promise easy solutions and accelerate the same problems or create new ones.

Just know it'll get much worse and plan your life accordingly.
There's zero good news to salvage from any of this.
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Agreed, unfortunately. But there's hope at least in their being hopeful.
 
Ask yourself how all these foreigners managed to get into the country and then take all the jobs.
There is about to be a massive job vacuum, but the youth won't step up and work in a garden, or behind a till for low wages, they want the Ramaphosa/Mashatile bucks.
Go onto social media, make a tiktok about the EFF military wing chasing the white man out of the country and hope that Julius puts you into parliament for a mill a year.
 
Brian_G said:
What's maybe good about this is Saffers saying enough is enough about job scarcity. Maybe one day they'll say the same about the ANC...
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Problem is they're still blaming the wrong people.

Foreigners are certainly part of the problem, but they're a small part.

The reality is that the economy has not grown along with the population.

The real challenge is they need to make that logic jump to understand that poor economic policies are the real problem.
 
porchrat said:
Problem is they're still blaming the wrong people.

Foreigners are certainly part of the problem, but they're a small part.

The reality is that the economy has not grown along with the population.

The real challenge is they need to make that logic jump to understand that poor economic policies are the real problem.
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For sure. But methinks we underestimate just how much foreigners have influenced job circumstances - there's a lot of them here as we know, especially from Zim, and if they're being offered less pay...
 
Snotface said:
Ask yourself how all these foreigners managed to get into the country and then take all the jobs.
There is about to be a massive job vacuum, but the youth won't step up and work in a garden, or behind a till for low wages, they want the Ramaphosa/Mashatile bucks.
Go onto social media, make a tiktok about the EFF military wing chasing the white man out of the country and hope that Julius puts you into parliament for a mill a year.
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How did we even survive before all the illegal immigrants? Who was working in the garden or behind the till? White people?
 
Brian_G said:
For sure. But methinks we underestimate just how much foreigners have influenced job circumstances - there's a lot of them here as we know, especially from Zim, and if they're being offered less pay...
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I suspect the same.
While I have little or no sympathy for our locals, these people might as well live in world that's in a different universe than mine.

I don't know if anyone really knows the actual situation on the ground, that's another problem with a failing state, you completely lose analysis and research that would have given you data you can use to make decisions, now it's nothing but a reactive crapshoot in the dark as to what's actually going on and what to do about it... in other words, you're forced to use tribalism 'cause there's no chance for nuance.
 
Brian_G said:
For sure. But methinks we underestimate just how much foreigners have influenced job circumstances - there's a lot of them here as we know, especially from Zim, and if they're being offered less pay...
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Doesn't matter how much pay they're offered. The reality is there aren't enough jobs for all the new people entering the workforce.

The ratio is terrifying when you stop to think about it... a little over 100 000 new jobs are created each year through economic growth relative to millions of new people entering the workforce each year. This trend has been ongoing for more than a decade. Getting rid of a couple of million illegals is debatably going to reverse the impact of a SINGLE YEAR of our poor economic growth.

I think you're grossly overestimating the impact of illegal foreigners.
 
RaptorSA said:
I don't know if anyone really knows the actual situation on the ground, that's another problem with a failing state, you completely lose analysis and research that would have given you data you can use to make decisions, now it's nothing but a reactive crapshoot in the dark as to what's actually going on and what to do about it... in other words, you're forced to use tribalism 'cause there's no chance for nuance.
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You hit the nail on the head there
 
Brian_G said:
Yeah, sure, that's a factor. But,, it wasn't exactly fun and games type of work in the past either, a lot of hard labour involved.
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Life is full of choices. Stay in school - burn it down; choice. Get a **** job - grab a grant; choice. Stick with a job you hate - try your own thing; choice. Some things work out, some things don't.
 
porchrat said:
Doesn't matter how much pay they're offered. The reality is there aren't enough jobs for all the new people entering the workforce.

The ratio is terrifying when you stop to think about it... a little over 100 000 new jobs are created each year through economic growth relative to millions of new people entering the workforce each year. This trend has been ongoing for more than a decade. Getting rid of a couple of million illegals is debatably going to reverse the impact of a SINGLE YEAR of our poor economic growth.

I think you're grossly overestimating the impact of illegal foreigners.
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It'll be interesting to see in the coming years if there's an outflux of South Africans to other African countries...
I've often been surprised that it hasn't already happened.

EDIT: Also, the current global state of energy is making me very nervous. There seems to be no solution to the USA's retardation and we still haven't seen the full effect of what happens next. It's the last k@k we need right now.
 
porchrat said:
Doesn't matter how much pay they're offered. The reality is there aren't enough jobs for all the new people entering the workforce.

The ratio is terrifying when you stop to think about it... a little over 100 000 new jobs are created each year through economic growth relative to millions of new people entering the workforce each year. This trend has been ongoing for more than a decade. Getting rid of a couple of million illegals is debatably going to reverse the impact of a SINGLE YEAR of our poor economic growth.

I think you're grossly overestimating the impact of illegal foreigners.
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Also I'd hazard a guess the vast majority of illegal foreigners are not entering the formal sector like the new people entering the work force should be doing.

Removing the illegal foreigners will largely interrupt elements of the informal economy that they operate in, and even by removing them the "jobs" don't just magically go to someone else, another person has to step up and fill that gap.
 
RaptorSA said:
It'll be interesting to see in the coming years if there's an outflux of South Africans to other African countries...
I've often been surprised that it hasn't already happened.
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Maybe Botwana or Namibia, or much further north but otherwise what's there on offer of value? I can't see the captains of local industry allowing things to fall low enough to be able to equate us fully with Zim.
 
RaptorSA said:
It'll be interesting to see in the coming years if there's an outflux of South Africans to other African countries...
I've often been surprised that it hasn't already happened.
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Realistically outside of developed nations overseas there's nowhere else to go. The rest of Africa is even more underdeveloped.

Our total available workforce is somewhere around 40 million people at the moment. Actual jobs is somewhere around 24 million. Leaving more than 15 million unemployed.

Even if we go with the largest estimate I've seen for illegal people in the country at 4 million, not all of those people are of working age. We're optimistically probably only looking at 3 million that could work.

Then we assume that every single one of those 3 million illegals is actually employed.

Then we assume that every single one of those 3 million jobs is immediately filled by a Saffer once we boot the illegals out.

We're still looking at potentially less than 1/5 of the unemployment problem addressed... and that's being very generous with the numbers.

The reality is that illegals are a problem. They're far from the major problem though.
 
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