'They came with machetes' - deadline looms for migrants to leave South Africa

Grant said:
there is no claim the protests are funded by russia
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and who used the word "claim"? perhaps read next time:

NarrowBandFtw said:
good god, the very intentional implication that the 30 June protests are funded by Russia, is false, duh!
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the implication is clearly made, you can hand wave it away all you like, the only thing you'd succeed in doing is proving yourself an idiot
 
Viva Jacinta Viva. March every Thursday.

Nkosi Sikelel' Ja cin ta (™ @ShaunSA )

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Jacinta Ngobese-Zuma says they will continue marching every Thursday for as long as undocumented foreign nationals remain in South Africa. She says the weekly marches have now been officially declared.
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Alexander the Straight said:
Reports coming through of looting in Durban CBD and Midway Mall in Newlands .Police appear to be using teargas and stun grenades etc to control them. All these reports via what's app groups only.
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It appears that any news of such events are being suppressed: there was also looting in Korsten (PE), yet not covered in any way, shape or form. A regular poster on our Facebook Traffic Updates page posted the video footage.
 
porchrat said:
Yes, it can. What I'm pointing out is that the actual impact of councilor salaries on a metro's overall budget is miniscule. The scale of the graph you'd have to construct just to see the bar representing the councilor's salaries would be so monumental as to be completely unworkable.

You're crying about something that has almost zero impact on these metros buidgets.

This relatively tiny expense is not the reason for maintenance decline. Not even close. To suggest it is so stupid.

I hope this puts it more into perspective for you. In Cape Town you're looking at something like 0.1% of the entire Cape Town budget being spent on councilors salaries. That's assuming all 116 of them earn R60k p/m.

Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me that a 0.1% impact on a budget is what caused, or in any significant capacity impacted on, an infrastructure collapse on the scale we see in JHB?

Come off it man. You can debate whether or not councilors should be paid, but this point you're attempting to make is asinine and you know it.
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It seems as if the more they earn, the less they do!
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
and who used the word "claim"? perhaps read next time:
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i used the word "claim", in reference to the overall tone of the report, or whatever one wishes to call it.
it is nothing more than a "claim / allegation" until tested in an appropriate legal environment.


NarrowBandFtw said:
the implication is clearly made,
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the implication is made that the specific woman in question has an alternate agenda


you can hand wave it away all you like, the only thing you'd succeed in doing is proving yourself an idiot
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at this juncture, i would suggest you steer clear of mirrors and reflective surfaces.
 
Supervan II said:
It seems as if the more they earn, the less they do!
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Indeed.

It's not the councillors bleeding these munis dry. Sure we can have a debate about whether or not ward councillors should be getting salaries. I can see merit in both sides. They really are a drop in the ocean in terms of costs though.

The real problem as far as I can see in these failing munis is all the irregular expenditure and dodgy tenders. Council members driving around in luxury SUVs while their people don't have clean drinking water. Departments hiring 10 managers and 1 dude to do the actual work, then when they inevitably can't do it they hire consultants and tender to their cousin's company to do the job... which never gets done anyway. This is billions lost, not the paltry millions we're paying councillors.

Focussing on councillors while all that rot is going on is penny-wise and pound-foolish.
 
Seems some protesters are pulling nightshift at the local settlements in my area....good luck to them...it's cold out there....
 
porchrat said:
Indeed.

It's not the councillors bleeding these munis dry. Sure we can have a debate about whether or not ward councillors should be getting salaries. I can see merit in both sides. They really are a drop in the ocean in terms of costs though.

The real problem as far as I can see in these failing munis is all the irregular expenditure and dodgy tenders. Council members driving around in luxury SUVs while their people don't have clean drinking water. Departments hiring 10 managers and 1 dude to do the actual work, then when they inevitably can't do it they hire consultants and tender to their cousin's company to do the job... which never gets done anyway. This is billions lost, not the paltry millions we're paying councillors.

Focussing on councillors while all that rot is going on is penny-wise and pound-foolish.
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Its a good place to start. Kinda like the broken window policy.

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If we have citizens volunteering their time to be councillors means they don't have the greed element, therefore, should appoint people of high moral standing into positions instead of the shitshow we have now.
 
wingnut771 said:
Its a good place to start. Kinda like the broken window policy.

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If we have citizens volunteering their time to be councillors means they don't have the greed element, therefore, should appoint people of high moral standing into positions instead of the shitshow we have now.
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IOW: Revert to how municipalities were functioning pre-1994.
 
porchrat said:
Indeed.

It's not the councillors bleeding these munis dry. Sure we can have a debate about whether or not ward councillors should be getting salaries. I can see merit in both sides. They really are a drop in the ocean in terms of costs though.

The real problem as far as I can see in these failing munis is all the irregular expenditure and dodgy tenders. Council members driving around in luxury SUVs while their people don't have clean drinking water. Departments hiring 10 managers and 1 dude to do the actual work, then when they inevitably can't do it they hire consultants and tender to their cousin's company to do the job... which never gets done anyway. This is billions lost, not the paltry millions we're paying councillors.

Focussing on councillors while all that rot is going on is penny-wise and pound-foolish.
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At least in eSchitweni (and very likely many other municipalities) the councillors have quite a large hand in the irregular expenditure and dodgy tenders through things like Ward Committees and a certain percentage of "work" having to be allocated to people/entities within a Ward itself.

I personally don't really have a problem with councillors being paid a salary since it is now a full time + more type of job, but there is a bit too much power given to them in terms of directing how and where a municipality spends its money at a granularish level.
 
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