No new disc games on PlayStation from January 2028

Insint said:
You will own nothing and be happy.
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There is far more rights flowing both ways in an EULA than IP holders and fearmongers are making it out to be. I still say, that if you purchased a perpetual license for the right to use and access. That those two specific rights needs to be protected as if they were property. Platforms and instruments already exist to enable that, but it needs to be recognised.

If they don't want you to keep the installation media, they must let you download it anytime through the methods they allow. "Allow" is the sticky point, because they don't want communities to host it, and so far only Steam has shown to have library permanancy. Epic, as well, but there have been incidents where licenses had to be migrated away from your library, but the principle of permanency was ensured. GOG, well, they tell you to take own custody, but don't have a promising track record of library permanency. Steam must have some strong licensing agreements for game distribution.

The problem is, what happens if Steam goes away? The gaming community loses its sole, proven, steward. There needs to be a global effort for promoting custodianship to ensure that users have an right to their property (perpetual license). Steam is being sieged by lobbies and governments.

Even Tim Sweeney said that you own a game.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2017243074573824039

Currently there's a misleading community note on this. Yes, you can buy Steam keys off Steam.

ONCE YOU OWN A GAME, Steam forces developers to use Steam payments for all in-game purchases and pay 30%. This is the practice courts found illegal for Apple and Google.
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All of that said, getting back on-topic. Obsidian recently updated The Outer Worlds 1. They had some problems with re-issuing licenses for users on both XBOX and PlayStation. They said the way licensing for distribution works there is different from other stores like Steam, Epic, and GOG. They didn't elaborate, but it seems the console business works different from the PC business.
 
Isengard said:
This makes a potential PS6 a lot less attractive of a purchase.
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I wouldn't say a lot less attractive, but it would actually help Xbox if they still continue to sell physical media. So not sure why Sony would give their bitter rivals an edge going forward.
 
Guess I won't be getting a PS6 then, as much as I am (used to be) a PS fanboy.

How many games can you store on 2TB anyway.

And you give up your rights, as no doubt somewhere in the contract details it says they can pull and delete any game from their library and your console when they want.

Guess it's Xbox or Nintendo now.
 
PC gamers laughing at the reactions to this news

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OutlawJoseyWales said:
And you give up your rights, as no doubt somewhere in the contract details it says they can pull and delete any game from their library and your console when they want.
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Every digital store works that way, what makes you think the others are different?

You are just one SQL query away from losing your entire library if they so wish.
 
OutlawJoseyWales said:
Guess I won't be getting a PS6 then, as much as I am (used to be) a PS fanboy.

How many games can you store on 2TB anyway.

And you give up your rights, as no doubt somewhere in the contract details it says they can pull and delete any game from their library and your console when they want.

Guess it's Xbox or Nintendo now.
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/hug

Let me install win 98 se for you.

It's going to be ok now.

Hush…
 
prod said:
Every digital store works that way, what makes you think the others are different?

You are just one SQL query away from losing your entire library if they so wish.
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I own 3 digital games (that I got super cheap on special), all hard to find shmups, the rest are physical.
 
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OutlawJoseyWales said:
I own 3 digital games (that I got super cheap on special), all hard to find shmups, the rest are physical.
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Yea I understand, I buy physical where possible. But these stores all have the same quirks and it's unfortunately where we are headed. Nintendo's solution seems like the best at least
 
At least Sony are thinking about the environment - less clutter ...

LOL !!

I remember when the PS fanbois where like, naaannaaaannaaa we have physical games and yours is all digital ( Xbox )

HOW the turns and tabled !!! :)

Edit: waiting for the " Exclusives " comment.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
There is far more rights flowing both ways in an EULA than IP holders and fearmongers are making it out to be. I still say, that if you purchased a perpetual license for the right to use and access. That those two specific rights needs to be protected as if they were property. Platforms and instruments already exist to enable that, but it needs to be recognised.

If they don't want you to keep the installation media, they must let you download it anytime through the methods they allow. "Allow" is the sticky point, because they don't want communities to host it, and so far only Steam has shown to have library permanancy. Epic, as well, but there have been incidents where licenses had to be migrated away from your library, but the principle of permanency was ensured. GOG, well, they tell you to take own custody, but don't have a promising track record of library permanency. Steam must have some strong licensing agreements for game distribution.

The problem is, what happens if Steam goes away? The gaming community loses its sole, proven, steward. There needs to be a global effort for promoting custodianship to ensure that users have an right to their property (perpetual license). Steam is being sieged by lobbies and governments.

Even Tim Sweeney said that you own a game.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2017243074573824039



All of that said, getting back on-topic. Obsidian recently updated The Outer Worlds 1. They had some problems with re-issuing licenses for users on both XBOX and PlayStation. They said the way licensing for distribution works there is different from other stores like Steam, Epic, and GOG. They didn't elaborate, but it seems the console business works different from the PC business.
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Good points

Steam really needs to be treated as if it can change or disappear at any time.
Sony said 15 years or so ago that discs would stay, and now they have announced discs are going away.

Steam can change just as quickly.
They can just update their user agreement.
 
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