Tax revolt in South Africa

People are generally stuck between a rock and a hard place. Calling for a tax revolt is easy in theory, but far more difficult in practice.
Most employees have PAYE and UIF deducted by their employers before they ever receive their salaries, so they have little control over those contributions. Businesses are equally unlikely to participate in any organised tax revolt, as the legal and financial consequences would be severe.
The only areas where individuals have some influence are their spending habits. Many people have already reduced discretionary spending, drive less because of fuel prices, and shop more carefully to limit VAT on non-essential purchases. Beyond that, there is very little room to maneuver.
Realistically, the only lawful way to reduce your tax burden is to spend less where you can, save and invest wisely within the law, and structure your finances responsibly. For most people, taxes are simply built into everyday life and avoiding them would mean breaking the law—which creates far bigger problems than it solves.
 
tax revolt is convoluted

easier to destroy the banks, which then would result in government collapse, and then it will have no power to enforce tax laws

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” Henry Ford

edit: how to destroy a bank?

engineer a bank run- which is also quite easy
 
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Bad Ballie said:
People are generally stuck between a rock and a hard place. Calling for a tax revolt is easy in theory, but far more difficult in practice.
Most employees have PAYE and UIF deducted by their employers before they ever receive their salaries, so they have little control over those contributions. Businesses are equally unlikely to participate in any organised tax revolt, as the legal and financial consequences would be severe.
The only areas where individuals have some influence are their spending habits. Many people have already reduced discretionary spending, drive less because of fuel prices, and shop more carefully to limit VAT on non-essential purchases. Beyond that, there is very little room to maneuver.
Realistically, the only lawful way to reduce your tax burden is to spend less where you can, save and invest wisely within the law, and structure your finances responsibly. For most people, taxes are simply built into everyday life and avoiding them would mean breaking the law—which creates far bigger problems than it solves.
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saturnz said:
tax revolt is convoluted

easier to destroy the banks, which then would result in government collapse, and then it will have no power to enforce tax laws

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” Henry Ford
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The only real way out is an alternative/parallel economy.

This will necessarily be subtle/clandestine. As long as you play government games (do it "legally") you will win government prizes (taxation).
 
HermeticAnarchist said:
The only real way out is an alternative/parallel economy.

This will necessarily be subtle/clandestine. As long as you play government games (do it "legally") you will win government prizes (taxation).
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yeah but a bank run is easy, starting a parallel economy is more convoluted than a tax revolt

if you want them to feel immediate pain, a bank run is the way to do it

and are you going to start a parallel economy with currency the bankers print?
 
saturnz said:
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” Henry Ford
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Was wondering if that is real, so chatgpt:

The quote appears in the 1948 book Ford Men and Methods, written by Harry Bennett, who attributed the remark to Ford. Because it was published after Ford’s death and is not found in Ford’s own writings or speeches, historians treat it as a credible but not primary-source quotation.

What we can say with confidence
  • There is no contemporary record (such as a speech transcript, interview, or letter) proving Ford said it.
  • The quote has been in circulation for decades and is consistently attributed to Henry Ford.
  • Most quotation researchers classify it as probably genuine but not definitively verified because the earliest known source is a secondary account published after his death.
 
saturnz said:
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” Henry Ford
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Yes, I'm in agreement. So how do you get them to inderstand? Seems to me it's easier to setup an alternate economy with like-minded people than to convince the majority that what they believe is a lie.

2 other quotes spring to mind:

"It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"

"It is not necessary to destroy a system. It is only necessary to build a better one and the old will collapse due to lack of support".
 
HermeticAnarchist said:
Yes, I'm in agreement. So how do you get them to inderstand? Seems to me it's easier to setup an alternate economy with like-minded people than to comvince the majority that what they believe is a lie.

2 other quotes spring to mind:

"It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"

"It is not necessary to destroy a system. It is only necessary to build a better one and the old will collapse due to lack of support".
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you are strawmanning my position

I'm not in the business of making people understand, the quote is to highlight that the monetary system is fragile, and it doesn't take much to undo it
 
The biggest issue with any of these alternatives is it doesn't stop the tax at source. For most people it's deducted before they're paid, that already ends any revolt. Nothing can happen without the support of business...
 
saturnz said:
you are strawmanning my position

I'm not in the business of making people understand, the quote is to highlight that the monetary system is fragile, and it doesn't take much to undo it
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It's not my intention to strawman anything.

I'm open to any suggestions to accomplish that.
 
Unless the banks collectively decide to hold government accountable and stop all reporting / freeze government bank accounts the high taxes and looting will continue.

If I were a bank exec I'd very seriously engage my peers on achieving exactly that
 
Segg said:
Unless the banks collectively decide to hold government accountable and stop all reporting / freeze government bank accounts the high taxes and looting will continue.

If I were a bank exec I'd very seriously engage my peers on achieving exactly that
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you do not understand the agreement then (one of the first documented written agreements can be found on Jekyll Island)

banks require the government to pass the laws that give legitimacy to their scam, in return the banks provide government with loans by purchasing their government bonds

the loans are "repaid" through taxes

banks do not want the total national debt to decrease and thereby guaranteeing the enslavement of the taxpayer
 
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