IRAN WAR: You can't lose, if you don't have a goal

Cray said:
Because normal society doesn't permit you to attack people that you have concluded might be a threat to you in future.
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Might be a threat? I'll post it again.
Iran has frequently threatened and engaged the United States since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. The decades-long hostility has involved state-sponsored plots, proxy strikes, and direct military confrontations.
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They should have been taken care off decades ago.
 
Cray said:
You know the US backed coup is one of the main reasons for the fall of democracy in Iran. The US screwed up Iran's government and then wondered why Iranians hate them.

When was the last time Iran attacked the US whithout first being attacked by them,?
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From October 2023 to early 2024, Iran-backed militias launched many attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria. One source counts more than 60 attacks in Iraq in that period, and broader reporting counts over 170 attacks across Iraq, Syria, and Jordan.
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And ofcourse you would have no issues with US forces being in Iraq in the first place, nor with the US controlling Iraqi oil revenues to this day

Fokking hilarious the lengths people go to to justify the crap they themselves perpetrate against others.
 
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From October 2023 to early 2024, Iran-backed militias launched many attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria. One source counts more than 60 attacks in Iraq in that period, and broader reporting counts over 170 attacks across Iraq, Syria, and Jordan.
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So attacks in actual other countries, not the US at all?
 
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Wut said:
Weren't those also countries where the yanks weren't supposed to be in the first place?
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After ISIS captured large parts of Iraq in 2014, the Iraqi government requested international assistance. The U.S.-led coalition entered Iraq with the consent of the Iraqi government to help fight ISIS. Even in recent years, both the U.S. and Iraqi governments have repeatedly stated that U.S. forces were there at the invitation of Iraq and in support of Iraqi security forces.
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Cray said:
Because he disagreed with what it tried to do. If Trump really wanted to prevent Iran getting Nukes, why scrap a deal that was doing exactly that?
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It was? And you know why - Trump hates Obama and wanted to break down everything had done.
 
Splinter said:
It was? And you know why - Trump hates Obama and wanted to break down everything had done.
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I read somewhere that the hate is due to Obama make a joke at Trump's expense at some do years ago. Seems rather petty and childish. I don't however think that is the only reason, Trump was pretty obsessed with Obama, which seemed more like he was upset a non white was elected president of the US.
 
Cray said:
Nope - they probably were aiming for nukes but they are a sovereign country, and maybe they are sick of people like the US throwing their weight around. Strange how the US doesnt f*** with Nuclear powers like North Korea.


No, because using them on Israel would result in nuclear retaliation from Israel and the US.


Why did Trump scrap the nuclear deal that Obama brokered?
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So, you think that the country who is already sponsoring 3 terrorist organizations only wants nukes because they are "sick of people like the US throwing their weight around"??

They are not sick of the US, they hate them and want to destroy them as well. Same as Israel.

Now, tell me what extremist Muslim's are well known for? In case you profess ignorance, it's jumping into crowds with bombs attached and blowing up themselves and innocents.

So, I really doubt the extremist leaders (at the time) of Iran really cared about retaliation. I don't think it is far-fetched to think that is what they would be planning on. They nuke Israel, Israel and US nuke them back, Russia gets involved and here we have a lovely little nuclear war which achieves Iran's aims of "death to Israel and the US".

Iran's leaders certainly don't care about the citizens of Iran - as evidenced by the slaughtering of them earlier this year.

And hey, if the leaders get killed, they are off to collect their 77 virgins in the afterlife.

If they are not hiding in the deep bunkers in the mountains, that is.
 
R13... said:
I read somewhere that the hate is due to Obama make a joke at Trump's expense at some do years ago. Seems rather petty and childish. I don't however think that is the only reason, Trump was pretty obsessed with Obama, which seemed more like he was upset a non white was elected president of the US.
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Yeah, I think it was Obama laughing at a dinner about the idea of Trump becoming president. Trump, as usual, internalised it and clearly vowed revenge, at any cost to the USA.
 
Splinter said:
It was? And you know why - Trump hates Obama and wanted to break down everything had done.
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So you admit the this crisis was largely caused by Trump trying to undo what Obama did but somehow you are still on board with Trump's actions in the last few months?
 
Cray said:
So you admit the this crisis was largely caused by Trump trying to undo what Obama did but somehow you are still on board with Trump's actions in the last few months?
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Don't be obtuse.

I have made my position clear a number of times. And Obama's plan was not working - or are you saying Iran wasn't working on getting nukes during this period?
 
Splinter said:
So, you think that the country who is already sponsoring 3 terrorist organizations only wants nukes because they are "sick of people like the US throwing their weight around"??
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Sponsoring terrorist organisations is very different to starting a nuclear confrontation would only end with the annihilation of Iran.
Splinter said:
They are not sick of the US, they hate them and want to destroy them as well. Same as Israel
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If they hate the US, it's because the US has given them more enough reason for Iran to hate them over the years.

Splinter said:
.Now, tell me what extremist Muslim's are well known for? In case you profess ignorance, it's jumping into crowds with bombs attached and blowing up themselves and innocents.
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Easily led Muslism extremists are fed lies by people like Osama Bin Laden to die for their cause. You seldom see extremist Muslim leaders blowing themselves up, they have too much to live for. I find it extremely unlikely that any leader in Iran would choose to die in a Nuclear firestorm.

Splinter said:
So, I really doubt the extremist leaders (at the time) of Iran really cared about retaliation. I don't think it is far-fetched to think that is what they would be planning on.
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I think it's very far fetched - but I come from the basis that most people, even religious fundamentalists, aren;'t crazy and suicidal.s

Splinter said:
They nuke Israel, Israel and US nuke them back, Russia gets involved and here we have a lovely little nuclear war which achieves Iran's aims of "death to Israel and the US".
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And them get wiped out in the process, yeah, I just don't see it personally. Extremist Islam is bad but am not sure the people in charge of Iran care so little for their own lives. The whole "death to Israel and the US" is the sort of thing you chant when you know you can't actually do it.
 
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