Five key findings from the Constitutional Court's Tafelberg judgment

wingnut771 said:
Why can't the people in that area send their kids to that public school? Isnt that how public schools work? Service the area around the school.
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I'm not sure why that school closed but most likely it was for the same reason so many other government schools close.... lack of fee paying parents. The area was also never really had family friendly housing. So its residential but not suburbia.

But largely I agree... the property should have stayed a school. They should have tried harder to keep it going.
 
saturnz said:
your impression as stated clearly was that they were raising revenue to fund the poor

why would you be under that impression?
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They have said this numerous times. The sale of these properties is to fund infrastructure, and one of those infrastructure pipelines is affordable housing.

I do think they need to start delivering on it.
 
Nerfherder said:
They have said this numerous times. The sale of these properties is to fund infrastructure, and one of those infrastructure pipelines is affordable housing.

I do think they need to start delivering on it.
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they can say, that doesn't mean that that would be my impression of things

my impression is that they are simply saying that to justify extracting more from rate payers

the person I'm responding to says what he says as if he is of the view they are actually going to give it to the poor, why would he have that impression is the question?
 
ghaye said:
Perhaps this helps.

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So it was a special needs school and was far away from all the kids with special needs.... So they moved it closer to the people who needed it.

It actually makes sense that they will now recoup that money with the sale of the property.
They already did the hard work of making a new school and now the numpties wont let them cover the costs.
 
saturnz said:
they can say, that doesn't mean that that would be my impression of things

my impression is that they are simply saying that to justify extracting more from rate payers

the person I'm responding to says what he says as if he is of the view they are actually going to give it to the poor, why would he have that impression is the question?
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What is the correct amount to give to the poor? How long does this go on for? Who actually pays for this?
 
saturnz said:
they can say, that doesn't mean that that would be my impression of things

my impression is that they are simply saying that to justify extracting more from rate payers

the person I'm responding to says what he says as if he is of the view they are actually going to give it to the poor, why would he have that impression is the question?
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So they have already successfully completed many projects aimed at making things better for the poor.

There are a whole bunch of homeless shelters that have just been built and they have increased the money allocation for indigent residents (too old and poor to pay rates).

You can say "don't care" all you want but there is no other province\city that comes close to achieving this.

Anyway... I bare the brunt of the increased rates myself. I just take the time to understand where money is going.
 
wingnut771 said:
Not really. Why can't it turn into a model c school for the people of seapoint? Isn't the whole reason people send their kids to private schools is because they are sick and tired of having 40 kids in a class?
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I'm reading that the buildings are now dilapidated and so would have to be rebuilt anyway. So either way the current building would have to be flattened.
 
Nerfherder said:
I'm reading that the buildings are now dilapidated and so would have to be rebuilt anyway. So either way the current building would have to be flattened.
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Okay, then do that. At least they don't have to rebuild the sports fields. Better than giving away water and electricity to all the squatter camps and rewarding people who invade land by building parks for them.
 
wingnut771 said:
Not really. Why can't it turn into a model c school for the people of seapoint? Isn't the whole reason people send their kids to private schools is because they are sick and tired of having 40 kids in a class?
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I'm not sure there are enough people in that area that will send their kids to a model c school. Maybe @Grant has some better input into that.
I just remembered that my father used to go to a "government" school in Sea Point. Sea Point Boys. He used to take the bus daily from the Milnerton area.
 
More background in this report:
www.moneyweb.co.za

Tafelberg sale ruled unlawful in major victory for affordable housing in Cape Town

ConCourt rules that Western Cape government and City of Cape Town are constitutionally obliged to provide affordable housing in the inner-city.
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"The province proposes an eight-storey development with 440 open-market housing units and 200 social housing units. Heritage Western Cape rejects the first Heritage Impact Assessment, but approves a second version in June. The old school building has to be preserved because of its heritage value, but social housing can be built on another part of the site. A land use application has been submitted to the City and public participation processes will follow."

440:220 Normal market to Social housing ratio.
I wonder what ratio the commie court has in mind.... :unsure:
And yeah, they clearly need some normal market units as the developers wont build social housing for free....
 
ghaye said:
I'm not sure there are enough people in that area that will send their kids to a model c school. Maybe @Grant has some better input into that.
I just remembered that my father used to go to a "government" school in Sea Point. Sea Point Boys. He used to take the bus daily from the Milnerton area.
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That's good, that means there will be 20 in a class like it should be.
 
wingnut771 said:
That's good, that means there will be 20 in a class like it should be.
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Nope, wouldn't be like that.
Should it be a Model C school, best outcome is likely a school that has some local catchment students, and lots of further afield students who have to be bussed in daily wrecking whatever poor traffic Sea Point already suffers with.

In reality though at a 20 class size, given the investment required, the school fees will be higher than private schools in the surrounding area so this model C school won't survive for very long.
 
SeRpEnT said:
More background in this report:
www.moneyweb.co.za

Tafelberg sale ruled unlawful in major victory for affordable housing in Cape Town

ConCourt rules that Western Cape government and City of Cape Town are constitutionally obliged to provide affordable housing in the inner-city.
www.moneyweb.co.za www.moneyweb.co.za

"The province proposes an eight-storey development with 440 open-market housing units and 200 social housing units. Heritage Western Cape rejects the first Heritage Impact Assessment, but approves a second version in June. The old school building has to be preserved because of its heritage value, but social housing can be built on another part of the site. A land use application has been submitted to the City and public participation processes will follow."

440:220 Normal market to Social housing ratio.
I wonder what ratio the commie court has in mind.... :unsure:
And yeah, they clearly need some normal market units as the developers wont build social housing for free....
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Lol, now they want to preserve the dilapidated building. Where does the province propose the kids go to school? Bothasig?
 
ToxicBunny said:
Nope, wouldn't be like that.
Should it be a Model C school, best outcome is likely a school that has some local catchment students, and lots of further afield students who have to be bussed in daily wrecking whatever poor traffic Sea Point already suffers with.
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Like I said earlier, dont public schools only service the immediate area around the school?
 
ToxicBunny said:
Yes and no unfortunately.

And if your immediate area doesn't have sufficient students (and sea point won't) then what?
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Then have 10 in a class. Why wont seapoint have enough. There are high rises going up there like its going out of fashion.
 
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