What's The Deal With Smoking In Pubs?

Jacada said:
I've been to a few pubs in the Pta / Centurion area and don't understand why they allow smoking?
Is there some loophole in the law that I'm not aware of?
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Nope.. But if you don't like it, find another pub. The regulars probably kind of expect it and they keep the pub ticking over most likely.
 
The pubs and restaurants on the East Rand and in Pretoria understand their patronage. It's only Johannesburg and Midrand that follow the doekkop ideology.
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Jacada said:
I've been to a few pubs in the Pta / Centurion area and don't understand why they allow smoking?
Is there some loophole in the law that I'm not aware of?
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You can lodge a formal complaint with the city's health dept. I did that against a restaurant once, with pictures. The owner pulled the wrong attitude when I asked him to tell people to smoke outside, so I did 'the right thing'. The municipal official let me know they were fined R10k. ......and that is what people with the wrong attitude get......was so easy to have followed the law and the restaurant would have served us 6 friends a meal and drinks on top and prospered in stead rather than losing our business and earn a fine for the wrong attitude.
 
Pax said:
You can lodge a formal complaint with the city's health dept. I did that against a restaurant once, with pictures. The owner pulled the wrong attitude when I asked him to tell people to smoke outside, so I did 'the right thing'. The municipal official let me know they were fined R10k. ......and that is what people with the wrong attitude get......was so easy to have followed the law and the restaurant would have served us 6 friends a meal and drinks on top and prospered in stead rather than losing our business and earn a fine for the wrong attitude.
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Depends entirely on the restaurant and its regular clientelle, you may have initiated the death of that business for your meal and drinks for 6 mates.

Don't get me wrong on this one, I won't go to a restaurant where people smoke inside, but I'm not about to get all Karen and report them to the authorities, I'll just go somewhere else.
 
The small pubs around the area i live allow for smoking.

As a non smoker its a bit of a pain but those places are kept afloat by the support of their locals...who are obviously a smoking majority.

You hqve choices... Either go there or dont.
 
I think OP’s question is more about how do they pull it off from a legal standpoint. Restaurants are legally only allowed X amount of smoking area, which has to be closed off from the non-smoking area, while pubs are a smoking area from their pavement to their toilets and everything in between.
 
Pax said:
You can lodge a formal complaint with the city's health dept. I did that against a restaurant once, with pictures. The owner pulled the wrong attitude when I asked him to tell people to smoke outside, so I did 'the right thing'. The municipal official let me know they were fined R10k. ......and that is what people with the wrong attitude get......was so easy to have followed the law and the restaurant would have served us 6 friends a meal and drinks on top and prospered in stead rather than losing our business and earn a fine for the wrong attitude.
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It may have been worth the R10k fine, if they ever received it.
 
Progenix Oj101 said:
I think OP’s question is more about how do they pull it off from a legal standpoint. Restaurants are legally only allowed X amount of smoking area, which has to be closed off from the non-smoking area, while pubs are a smoking area from their pavement to their toilets and everything in between.
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They are allowed to allocate up to a quarter of their space as a smoking zone. We don't know what the layout of the pub is that he's speaking about - for all we know the indoor area where the booze is is the smoking zone, and everywhere else including outside, isn't.

Also if they are breaking the rules a bit, don't be a Karen. Find another place and let the smokers keep that pub going as they've been doing. It's people's livelihoods on the line, including the staff who are there voluntarily and did nothing wrong...
 
Progenix Oj101 said:
I think OP’s question is more about how do they pull it off from a legal standpoint. Restaurants are legally only allowed X amount of smoking area, which has to be closed off from the non-smoking area, while pubs are a smoking area from their pavement to their toilets and everything in between.
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I think OP must stop asking the wrong questions and rather go look for a pub where the snowflakes are allowed to enjoy a smoke free environment. He could put the livelihoods of not only the owners but also the staff in jeopardy by making a big thing about this.
 
Progenix Oj101 said:
I think OP’s question is more about how do they pull it off from a legal standpoint. Restaurants are legally only allowed X amount of smoking area, which has to be closed off from the non-smoking area, while pubs are a smoking area from their pavement to their toilets and everything in between.
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By making friends with the police and inspectors largely from my experience.

They "know" when they'll be inspected and quietly make sure nobody is smoking at that point in time even if the pub absolutely reeks of cigarette smoke.

Its only when Karen's have a small conniption about "muh rights!" that things get possibly difficult for them.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
They are allowed to allocate up to a quarter of their space as a smoking zone. We don't know what the layout of the pub is that he's speaking about - for all we know the indoor area where the booze is is the smoking zone, and everywhere else including outside, isn't.
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I've been to many pubs, mostly in the Western Cape, and 95% of them are smoking throughout. Even the nightclubs like Tin Roof, Stones, Gandalfs, Tantra, etc were smoking throughout. It's only the more "upper class" pubs like Forresters Arms that had dedicated smoking sections.

Carl_Johnson said:
I think OP must stop asking the wrong questions
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Or maybe it's just an interesting question? I don't have a problem with smoking in pubs, it's essentially part of the culture, and I think most pubs would disappear if they became non-smoking. How they get away with it is also a question I didn't know I had until this thread.

ToxicBunny said:
By making friends with the police and inspectors largely from my experience.
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That appears to be the answer I was looking for - possibly OP as well.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Depends entirely on the restaurant and its regular clientelle, you may have initiated the death of that business for your meal and drinks for 6 mates.

Don't get me wrong on this one, I won't go to a restaurant where people smoke inside, but I'm not about to get all Karen and report them to the authorities, I'll just go somewhere else.
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Absolutely no data to back that up. For the 10 regulars who keep it “afloat” they probably lost hundreds of potential regulars over the year who wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole. It’s like hanging out with the wrong crowd expecting the right girl to come along. You lose more than you gain. Don’t underestimate just how much non smokers dislike second hand smoke and nicotine stains. Smokers are the minority by a margin.
 
JerryMungo said:
Absolutely no data to back that up. For the 10 regulars who keep it “afloat” they probably lost hundreds of potential regulars over the year who wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole. It’s like hanging out with the wrong crowd expecting the right girl to come along. You lose more than you gain. Don’t underestimate just how much non smokers dislike second hand smoke and nicotine stains. Smokers are the minority by a margin.
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Maybe yes, but for the business owner he "ticks" over with his regulars and clients who don't mind and the business is doing mostly what he wants.

Could it make more money by changing? Quite possibly, does the owner want it to? Maybe not.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Maybe yes, but for the business owner he "ticks" over with his regulars and clients who don't mind and the business is doing mostly what he wants.
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It's why you see pubs come and go in many areas.
ToxicBunny said:
Could it make more money by changing? Quite possibly, does the owner want it to? Maybe not.
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True, sometimes people are just happy with the status quo. My dad was like that - as long as he had fishing tackle and his health, the rest of the world could burn and his retirement was not his problem.
 
Progenix Oj101 said:
I think OP’s question is more about how do they pull it off from a legal standpoint. Restaurants are legally only allowed X amount of smoking area, which has to be closed off from the non-smoking area, while pubs are a smoking area from their pavement to their toilets and everything in between.
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Mostly this. I thought SA is all about enforcing the strict no-smoking law. Even at my work the smoke room was locked with a sign stating that you must go smoke outside the building.

Clearly my question upset some smokers. I really don't care if you wanna smoke. Enjoy your death sticks all you want. As for the pubs, all of them have smoking throughout the place. I have no intention of reporting them because I'm quite sure nothing will come of it.
 
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