'They came with machetes' - deadline looms for migrants to leave South Africa

[Spizz]

Lol they are solid. Great off-road bikes.

It isn't "thickness" the poorest south africans just lack that hustle culture of doing anything for money that the foreigner that came here have. They'll depend on 1 family member with a job to take care of 10 unemployed. And if they want to do it like that and remain poor that is their own problem.

Those South Africans have jobs or their own businesses.

South Africa is unlike any other African country in that it works (worked). It has (had) first world infrastructure and services, and the foreigners coming here from countries with no opportunities know the value of having a job. In their countries it’s all about the hustle. Here there are (were) real actual jobs.

Simply put, South Africans take the place for granted as they have no idea what the rest of Africa is like. TBF, they’ll find out soon enough as the race to the bottom continues.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

I'm sure nobody saw this coming, Cyril said everything would be all orderly and stuff hey?

Current situation is carefully being monitored by Presidency.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

South Africa is unlike any other African country in that it works (worked). It has (had) first world infrastructure and services, and the foreigners coming here from countries with no opportunities know the value of having a job. In their countries it’s all about the hustle. Here there are (were) real actual jobs.

Simply put, South Africans take the place for granted as they have no idea what the rest of Africa is like. TBF, they’ll find out soon enough as the race to the bottom continues.

Do you have any idea how rest of Africa is like ? Which countries have you been to ? Really curious. I have been only to Ethiopia so my experience hardly counts even if I get some idea due to friends & relatives in Uganda, Kenya & Tanzania.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Current situation is carefully being monitored by Presidency.

Via the law enforcement agencies who are extensively experience in "monitoring the situation"

 

[Spizz]

Do you have any idea how rest of Africa is like ? Which countries have you been to ? Really curious. I have been only to Ethiopia so my experience hardly counts even if I get some idea due to friends & relatives in Uganda, Kenya & Tanzania.

I’ve worked in several in construction for periods of 3 months to 2 years . I’ve also visited several countries for a week or two to audit local subcontractors who would work for us on these construction sites.

Countries I’ve spent real time in are…

Senegal
Sierra Leone
Liberia
Togo
Ghana
Nigeria
Cameroon
Egypt
Chad
Ethiopia
Zambia

I was on the Rovos Rail last year and we stopped at Bloemfontein station. If you want to see what the rest of Africa is like, go visit there for a good idea. I thought I was back in Lagos.

 

[thestaggy]

South Africa is unlike any other African country in that it works (worked). It has (had) first world infrastructure and services, and the foreigners coming here from countries with no opportunities know the value of having a job. In their countries it’s all about the hustle. Here there are (were) real actual jobs.

Simply put, South Africans take the place for granted as they have no idea what the rest of Africa is like. TBF, they’ll find out soon enough as the race to the bottom continues.

Echoes things my dad has said.

My did has been in the litho printing industry since the 80s. He has watched the industry change over the years and it is very much in a downward spiral. The engineers are all well past retirement age with very little new blood coming into it. At least in the way of properly qualified machine minders and engineers following the closure of litho schools. This decline was seen in places like Malawi, Zimbabwe and Zambia decades ago. It must be said that the litho industry across Southern Africa was heavily influenced by skilled British migrants, and there was also a huge influx of machine minders and engineers into South Africa from then Rhodesia in the 70s and 80s when the political landscape changed, so the litho industries in these countries are somewhat interconnected.

The health of the litho industry often tracks with the health of the wider economic landscape. When Covid hit, the industry took a beating because people were not printing marketing material or anything that would change hands, plus business in general all but ground to a halt. When the 2008 GFC hit, the industry took a knock as businesses closed or scaled back on their spending, with printing often seen as something of a luxury. If the economy is in the sh*tter, the litho industry follows it down the drain. When the economy is on the up, everyone is printing marketing material, company magazines, calendars, etc.

Because the litho industries in Malawi, Zimbabwe and Zambia are pretty much cottage industries now, with a severe shortage of skilled minders, engineers, modern equipment and consumables, a lot of government work from those countries as well as corporate work (mines, banks, etc) is sent to South African print shops. My dad specifically has over the years done a lot of printing for the Malawian Ministry of Education, including printing exam papers for them. In his interactions with people from these countries over the years - which includes government officials - he has been asked numerous times what is wrong with South Africans because they don't know how good they had/have it. People from these countries can see the decline in real time and it is following a similar pattern, albeit at a slower pace because South Africa had a higher starting point.

 

[HermeticAnarchist]

Echoes things my dad has said.

My did has been in the litho printing industry since the 80s. He has watched the industry change over the years and it is very much in a downward spiral. The engineers are all well past retirement age with very little new blood coming into it. At least in the way of properly qualified machine minders and engineers following the closure of litho schools. This decline was seen in places like Malawi, Zimbabwe and Zambia decades ago. It must be said that the litho industry across Southern Africa was heavily influenced by skilled British migrants, and there was also a huge influx of machine minders and engineers from then Rhodesia in the 70s and 80s when the political landscape changed, so the litho industries in these countries are somewhat interconnected.

The health of the litho industry often tracks with the health of the wider economic landscape. When Covid hit, the industry took a beating because people were not printing marketing material or anything that would change hands, plus business in general all but ground to a halt. When the 2008 GFC hit, the industry took a knock as business closed or scaled back on their spending, with printing often seen as something of a luxury. If the economy is in the sh*tter, the litho industry follows it down the drain. When the economy is on the up, everyone is printing marketing material, company magazines, calendars, etc.

Because the litho industries in Malawi, Zimbabwe and Zambia are pretty much cottage industries now, with a severe shortage of skilled minders, engineers, modern equipment and consumables, a lot of government work from those countries as well as corporate work (mines, banks, etc) is sent to South African print shops. My dad specifically has over the years done a lot of printing for the Malawian Ministry of Education, including printing exam papers for them. In his interactions with people from these countries over the years - which includes government officials - he has been asked numerous times what is wrong with South Africans because they don't know how good they had/have it. People from these countries can see the decline in real time and it is following a similar pattern, albeit at a slower pace because South Africa had a higher starting point.

Interesting. My dad had a litho business in then Rhodesia...

He eventually sold it and moved to Joburg because he was an SA citizen and Mugabe made things difficult.

 

[EmmanuelGoldstein]

Echoes things my dad has said.

My did has been in the litho printing industry since the 80s. He has watched the industry change over the years and it is very much in a downward spiral. The engineers are all well past retirement age with very little new blood coming into it. At least in the way of properly qualified machine minders and engineers following the closure of litho schools. This decline was seen in places like Malawi, Zimbabwe and Zambia decades ago. It must be said that the litho industry across Southern Africa was heavily influenced by skilled British migrants, and there was also a huge influx of machine minders and engineers from then Rhodesia in the 70s and 80s when the political landscape changed, so the litho industries in these countries are somewhat interconnected.

The health of the litho industry often tracks with the health of the wider economic landscape. When Covid hit, the industry took a beating because people were not printing marketing material or anything that would change hands, plus business in general all but ground to a halt. When the 2008 GFC hit, the industry took a knock as business closed or scaled back on their spending, with printing often seen as something of a luxury. If the economy is in the sh*tter, the litho industry follows it down the drain. When the economy is on the up, everyone is printing marketing material, company magazines, calendars, etc.

Because the litho industries in Malawi, Zimbabwe and Zambia are pretty much cottage industries now, with a severe shortage of skilled minders, engineers, modern equipment and consumables, a lot of government work from those countries as well as corporate work (mines, banks, etc) is sent to South African print shops. My dad specifically has over the years done a lot of printing for the Malawian Ministry of Education, including printing exam papers for them. In his interactions with people from these countries over the years - which includes government officials - he has been asked numerous times what is wrong with South Africans because they don't know how good they had/have it. People from these countries can see the decline in real time and it is following a similar pattern, albeit at a slower pace because South Africa had a higher starting point.

I know how good I have it here, that's why I don't complain much, and also I don't even consider leaving SA now.
When you've been overseas, it looks all nice and shiny but when it comes down to living there and getting on with the job, you'll really get a bite of reality.

If like me you have frequent bouts of bronchitis, you can forget about the swift treatment options available to us here, and I am not going to mention which countries don't give a fukk about your problems because that I suspect will cause personal attacks.

I am not patriotic, I am just happy where I find myself, in spite of the ANC and especially in spite of the DA.

 

[ShaunSA]

Anti-migrant marchers turn vigilante ‘labour inspectors’ — assaulting those branded foreign​

Anti-migrant marchers turn vigilante ‘labour inspectors’ — and assault those they brand foreign

Campaigners resort to quasi-vigilante measures to enforce migration law because they say the police are not investigating their complaints and allege Home Affairs officials take bribes.…

www.dailymaverick.co.za

If the government won't do it the citizens will

 

[ShaunSA]

Do you have any idea how rest of Africa is like ? Which countries have you been to ? Really curious. I have been only to Ethiopia so my experience hardly counts even if I get some idea due to friends & relatives in Uganda, Kenya & Tanzania.

Not really. You thought he was talking out of his arse

Just admit it instead of pretending

 

[Oldfut]

Were these well qualified and experienced people undocumented in SA?

No clue, just his comment in passing.

 

[AlexFl]

A couple of general remarks regarding what's transpiring in SA:

Most illegals are here out of desperation. If I were an illegal, I'd head back home in need, wait for the dust to settle and then just return illegally in the months ahead.

Knobkerrie intimidation levied against the weakest link isn't addressing the root cause. Redress should be sought from the government for not rendering the public services paid for (border & immigration controls).

SA nationals have some legitimate concerns. But they're looking for scapegoats (tacitly supported by a deceptive gov't?). When will the next minority become the target...

 

[wingnut771]

A couple of general remarks regarding what's transpiring in SA:

Most illegals are here out of desperation. If I were an illegal, I'd head back home in need, wait for the dust to settle and then just return illegally in the months ahead.

Knobkerrie intimidation levied against the weakest link isn't addressing the root cause. Redress should be sought from the government for not rendering the public services paid for (border & immigration controls).

SA nationals have some legitimate concerns. But they're looking for scapegoats (tacitly supported by a deceptive gov't?). When will the next minority become the target...

Probably when the rand is 100 to 1 to usd after the anc/mk/eff coalition have been running things.

 

[TheChamp]

SA nationals have some legitimate concerns. But they're looking for scapegoats (tacitly supported by a deceptive gov't?). When will the next minority become the target...

It is this kind of gaslighting that should not be tolerated, illegal foreigners are a problem, they are a crime, just because government does not enforce the law doesn't give them a free pass, there should be no victimhood agenda that should created out of this for opportunists who want to make this about them.

The government must enforce the law, and the law explicitly prescribes that illegal. Immigration is a crime, that's where it starts and ends, anything besides that is just drama.

 

[ToxicBunny]

It is this kind of gaslighting that should not be tolerated, illegal foreigners are a problem, they are a crime, just because government does not enforce the law doesn't give them a free pass, there should be no victimhood agenda that should created out of this for opportunists who want to make this about them.

The government must enforce the law, and the law explicitly prescribes that illegal. Immigration is a crime, that's where it starts and ends, anything besides that is just drama.

I agree the government should enforce the law, without fear or favour.

So illegal foreigners must go, and these vigilantes should spend a stint behind bars as well.

 

[R13...]

It is this kind of gaslighting that should not be tolerated, illegal foreigners are a problem, they are a crime, just because government does not enforce the law doesn't give them a free pass, there should be no victimhood agenda that should created out of this for opportunists who want to make this about them.

The government must enforce the law, and the law explicitly prescribes that illegal. Immigration is a crime, that's where it starts and ends, anything besides that is just drama.

Curiously, the mobs running around beating up dark skinned foreigners et al. Also performing illegal labour inspections are just as illegal.

 

[ShaunSA]

A couple of general remarks regarding what's transpiring in SA:

Most illegals are here out of desperation. If I were an illegal, I'd head back home in need, wait for the dust to settle and then just return illegally in the months ahead.

Knobkerrie intimidation levied against the weakest link isn't addressing the root cause. Redress should be sought from the government for not rendering the public services paid for (border & immigration controls).

SA nationals have some legitimate concerns. But they're looking for scapegoats (tacitly supported by a deceptive gov't?). When will the next minority become the target...

That's a bad idea. This isn't going away

How do you expect folks to keep seeking redress from a government that refuses to admit the problem? Even MSM are pretending there isn't a huge problem when it's been brewing for years. Ignoring it is not possible anymore

Some concerns? It's a bit more than that. Illegals are causing a massive issue in terms of the country's resources. As for the next minority target. That's clear already. It's going to be the politicians

 

[ShaunSA]

Curiously, the mobs running around beating up dark skinned foreigners et al. Also performing illegal labour inspections are just as illegal.

SA is a republic. If the government doesn't do it the citizens will

Yanksville is about to learn the same lesson the hard way

 

[TheChamp]

Curiously, the mobs running around beating up dark skinned foreigners et al. Also performing illegal labour inspections are just as illegal.

When government does not enforce the law, people will always take the law into their own hands, often with very undesirable consequences, it's not just with illegal immigration but with any crime that's not addressed by government.

What can never follow is that just because the government is not doing their job therefore illegal foreigners or any other people who do crime are scapegoats, if you come here illegally, you have committed a criminal offence, you are not some scapegoat, the same way any criminal who falls in the hands of the mob is not a scapegoat.

 

[wingnut771]

When government does not enforce the law, people will always take the law into their own hands, often with very undesirable consequences, it's not just with illegal immigration but with any crime that's not addressed by government.

What can never follow is that just because the government is not doing their job therefore illegal foreigners or any other people who do crime are scapegoats, if you come here illegally, you have committed a criminal offence, you are not some scapegoat, the same way any criminal who falls in the hands of the mob is not a scapegoat.

What happened in july 2021 after government enforced the law?