OUTA launches urgent application to suspend AARTO

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wingnut771 said:
For the State not the Municipality, so for this reason it is doomed to fail as a "revenue" stream. What metro cop is going to waste their time with this kak?
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The metro cop who will prey on the uninformed and use the fine and fear of the demerit to extort an easy bribe. Pigs gotta eat too right?
 
mylesillidge said:
Organisation that stopped e-tolls launches legal action against South Africa's new traffic fine laws

The Organisation Undoing Tax Abuse (OUTA) has launched an urgent High Court application seeking to suspend the second phase of the Administrative Adjudication of Road Traffic Offences (AARTO) system.

The second phase of the AARTO rollout saw the administrative and operational aspects of the system implemented in 62 municipalities from 1 July 2026.
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Me, I see this new AARTO system and I say, “Ja, this machine is hungry.”

Government says it is for road safety. Maybe. But in South Africa, every new system starts with safety and somehow ends with a payment reference number.

OUTA is going to court to stop the second phase. Good. Street rule number one: when government moves fast with fines but slow with potholes, you must watch carefully.

They say 62 municipalities are ready. Sharp, neh. Some cannot fix one traffic light, but now they are ready to run a national fine system.

The road can have a hole big enough to hide a bakkie, but the camera will still see your number plate perfectly.

And when the system makes a mistake, then what? Wrong plate, missing notice, offline computer. Still they say, “The system says you owe.”

Street rule number two: if my mistake costs money, your mistake must also cost money.

You cannot punish the driver in three minutes and investigate yourself for three years.

So let the court check the law, the computers, the appeals and the notices properly.

If AARTO is fair and ready, fine.

But before government gives drivers demerit points, maybe government must first check how many points it has left.
 
Herr der Verboten said:
Me, I see this new AARTO system and I say, “Ja, this machine is hungry.”

Government says it is for road safety. Maybe. But in South Africa, every new system starts with safety and somehow ends with a payment reference number.

OUTA is going to court to stop the second phase. Good. Street rule number one: when government moves fast with fines but slow with potholes, you must watch carefully.

They say 62 municipalities are ready. Sharp, neh. Some cannot fix one traffic light, but now they are ready to run a national fine system.

The road can have a hole big enough to hide a bakkie, but the camera will still see your number plate perfectly.

And when the system makes a mistake, then what? Wrong plate, missing notice, offline computer. Still they say, “The system says you owe.”

Street rule number two: if my mistake costs money, your mistake must also cost money.

You cannot punish the driver in three minutes and investigate yourself for three years.

So let the court check the law, the computers, the appeals and the notices properly.

If AARTO is fair and ready, fine.

But before government gives drivers demerit points, maybe government must first check how many points it has left.
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you forgot one thing, this is a government that makes laws that benefit itself and NOT the citizens who pay taxes into Cyrils couch.

you forget that the people vote every 4 years and this is what they CHOOSE, the inefficiency the bribes, the corruption, the lies.

same with eskom, same with transnet same with AARTO same with the archaic roadworthy system, same as everything else in a country stuck in 1986 that happens to have chat GPT
 
Herr der Verboten said:
Me, I see this new AARTO system and I say, “Ja, this machine is hungry.”

Government says it is for road safety. Maybe. But in South Africa, every new system starts with safety and somehow ends with a payment reference number.

OUTA is going to court to stop the second phase. Good. Street rule number one: when government moves fast with fines but slow with potholes, you must watch carefully.

They say 62 municipalities are ready. Sharp, neh. Some cannot fix one traffic light, but now they are ready to run a national fine system.

The road can have a hole big enough to hide a bakkie, but the camera will still see your number plate perfectly.

And when the system makes a mistake, then what? Wrong plate, missing notice, offline computer. Still they say, “The system says you owe.”

Street rule number two: if my mistake costs money, your mistake must also cost money.

You cannot punish the driver in three minutes and investigate yourself for three years.

So let the court check the law, the computers, the appeals and the notices properly.

If AARTO is fair and ready, fine.

But before government gives drivers demerit points, maybe government must first check how many points it has left.
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I get your "point"

:)
 
Jet-Fighter7700 said:
you forgot one thing, this is a government that makes laws that benefit itself and NOT the citizens who pay taxes into Cyrils couch.

you forget that the people vote every 4 years and this is what they CHOOSE, the inefficiency the bribes, the corruption, the lies.

same with eskom, same with transnet same with AARTO same with the archaic roadworthy system, same as everything else in a country stuck in 1986 that happens to have chat GPT
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Which political party will scrap this? Oh, and its every 5 years, we are not American.
 
wingnut771 said:
For the State not the Municipality, so for this reason it is doomed to fail as a "revenue" stream. What metro cop is going to waste their time with this kak?
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Metro police will use it, it's a great way to ensure lunch money for not issuing an infringement. And we all know by know how corrupt the Metro police really are.
 
Bad Ballie said:
Metro police will use it, it's a great way to ensure lunch money for not issuing an infringement. And we all know by know how corrupt the Metro police really are.
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Are they? I’ve never been asked for a bribe before and one even gave me a Xmas present when I drove to Cape Town in December with an expired drivers card when I went through a roadblock at Marian hill toll plaza.
 
wingnut771 said:
Are they? I’ve never been asked for a bribe before and one even gave me a Xmas present when I drove to Cape Town in December with an expired drivers card when I went through a roadblock at Marian hill toll plaza.
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The one that gave you the present was new at the job and didn't really understand how it works yet 😁 Come to Dirtbin central, every second one is looking for 'cooldrink' money. The wife works in the city, and we get stopped 3 times a week at least, of those 2 will hint that they can make the problem go away, I look them dead in the eyes and say no, you got me, give me the fine I will go pay it. I seldom get a fine and they give me a dirty look every time.
 
Bad Ballie said:
The one that gave you the present was new at the job and didn't really understand how it works yet 😁 Come to Dirtbin central, every second one is looking for 'cooldrink' money. The wife works in the city, and we get stopped 3 times a week at least, of those 2 will hint that they can make the problem go away, I look them dead in the eyes and say no, you got me, give me the fine I will go pay it. I seldom get a fine and they give me a dirty look every time.
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That's the way to do it. Play along for a bit while not offering them anything. Once they get in too deep you tell them to rather give you the fine. Then they let you go. Worked for me every time.
 
Bad Ballie said:
The one that gave you the present was new at the job and didn't really understand how it works yet 😁 Come to Dirtbin central, every second one is looking for 'cooldrink' money. The wife works in the city, and we get stopped 3 times a week at least, of those 2 will hint that they can make the problem go away, I look them dead in the eyes and say no, you got me, give me the fine I will go pay it. I seldom get a fine and they give me a dirty look every time.
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The only time that happened to me was in jhb when i was returning the rental car at the airport. Claimed I didn't stop and the non existent stop sign. He said I must come back to the police station, I said BS, give me the fine, I've got a flight to catch, he then let me carry on my way.
 
HermeticAnarchist said:
That's the way to do it. Play along for a bit while not offering them anything. Once they get in too deep you tell them to rather give you the fine. Then they let you go. Worked for me every time.
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This other time I had an expired disk. He gave me the fine. I ended up not paying it as he never completed the form completely.
 
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