Anti-white men policy in South Africa

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Evidence please 30%-ter :)
If you choose ignorance, you remain ignorant.

In cases where you have a wildly distorted population stat, you express the value of interest as a weighted percentage.

Direct comparison is idiotic. It's the sort of thing we accept in primary school.
 
Any discussion of unemployment stats needs to include levels of education and experience. If you have 10 people with a sub standard matric and one with a bachelors degree, which one is more likely to have a job?

Yeah, raw %'s are basically just meaningless tripe useful for political point scoring and nothing else.

You have to look at age distribution, education outcomes and distribution etc etc to get to a meaningful set of numbers to paint the accurate picture.

What would be interesting is to see a distribution of people aged 30+ who have a tertiary degree and those employment stats actually.
 
Any discussion of unemployment stats needs to include levels of education and experience. If you have 10 people with a sub standard matric and one with a bachelors degree, which one is more likely to have a job?
In this country, the black guy.
 
If you choose ignorance, you remain ignorant.

In cases where you have a wildly distorted population stat, you express the value of interest as a weighted percentage.

Direct comparison is idiotic. It's the sort of thing we accept in primary school.
I'm literally asking you to help me with evidence to cure my ignorance. Please show me where to find these weighted percentages because I have now looked and can't find it.
 
Not my responsibility.



By design
As expected. All bluff no stuff.

I provided multiple sources demonstrating that the reality is that white people are the most employed demographic by far in this country and in addition the gap over time has widened in white people's favor. It is easier now for white people to attain employment than ever before compared to any other racial demographic.

Everything that the ANC has implemented since taking power has achieved nothing to address this inequality. It gets worse every day that goes by. It is a dismal failure on their part as usual. They are what they are: garbage.

In this context the complaining by white people about discrimination is just farcical and pathetic and a wonderful example of white fragility and unearned victim mentality. It is in no way aligned with reality.
 
As expected. All bluff no stuff.

I provided multiple sources demonstrating that the reality is that white people are the most employed demographic by far in this country and in addition the gap over time has widened in white people's favor. It is easier now for white people to attain employment than ever before compared to any other racial demographic.

Everything that the ANC has implemented since taking power has achieved nothing to address this inequality. It gets worse every day that goes by. It is a dismal failure on their part as usual. They are what they are: garbage.

In this context the complaining by white people about discrimination is just farcical and pathetic and a wonderful example of white fragility and unearned victim mentality. It is in no way aligned with reality.
Also called propaganda. But you can believe what you want.
 
And yet to this day white people are the most employed and best paid by far in this country. Why do white people have such a massive victim complex when reality and facts does just simply does not reflect this?


Unemployment Breakdown by Population Group
    • Black/African: 35.3%
    • Coloured: 21.2%
    • Indian/Asian: 14.7%
    • White: 8.1%

Okay... so what is the truth?

I'm white myself and I find these percentages the opposite of scary. Cause the reality according to all the evidence that exists is that white people have the lowest levels of unemployment and the highest levels of income of any other demographic.

Please enlighten me if this is incorrect (but with evidence, feels and intuition is going to result in me calling you a 30%-ter)

I'll provide some more evidence of my own to sweeten the deal:
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Also. Don’t forget that white people tend to remain “employed” because they have out of nescesity created their own opportunities, starting small businesses etc, of keeping jobs within a healthy, well planned family structure.

This does however also mean many are actually “underemployed”, or having to work a hell of a lot harder, for a lot less money, than an equally or lesser qualified black dude would in a cushy public sector job.
 
As expected. All bluff no stuff.

I provided multiple sources demonstrating that the reality is that white people are the most employed demographic by far in this country and in addition the gap over time has widened in white people's favor. It is easier now for white people to attain employment than ever before compared to any other racial demographic.

Everything that the ANC has implemented since taking power has achieved nothing to address this inequality. It gets worse every day that goes by. It is a dismal failure on their part as usual. They are what they are: garbage.

In this context the complaining by white people about discrimination is just farcical and pathetic and a wonderful example of white fragility and unearned victim mentality. It is in no way aligned with reality.

You base this view on percentages of employed/unemployed per racial demographic and that is the root of the problem. The percentages you quoted may be 100% true but they do not explain the full picture of employment and/or unemployment. The white population isn't even a tenth of the black population of South Africa, so the fact that as a percentage there are more unemployed black people than white people is largely meaningless and doesn't prove that either group is better or worse off.
 
As expected. All bluff no stuff.

I provided multiple sources demonstrating that the reality is that white people are the most employed demographic by far in this country and in addition the gap over time has widened in white people's favor. It is easier now for white people to attain employment than ever before compared to any other racial demographic.
I wish that was true... if it was I wouldn't come here occasionally moaning about the kuk job I am stuck at.
 
And yet to this day white people are the most employed and best paid by far in this country. Why do white people have such a massive victim complex when reality and facts does just simply does not reflect this?


Unemployment Breakdown by Population Group
    • Black/African: 35.3%
    • Coloured: 21.2%
    • Indian/Asian: 14.7%
    • White: 8.1%

Even when system is rigged against whitey, literally forced to pick them last. Still winning.

Sounds like a skill issue. Git gud.
 
You base this view on percentages of employed/unemployed per racial demographic and that is the root of the problem. The percentages you quoted may be 100% true but they do not explain the full picture of employment and/or unemployment. The white population isn't even a tenth of the black population of South Africa, so the fact that as a percentage there are more unemployed black people than white people is largely meaningless and doesn't prove that either group is better or worse off.
The stats quoted, as I read them are not stating - "what percentage of the total umeployed are black/white/Indian etc."

They are quoting the total percentage of each race that are currently unemployed.

  • Black/African: 35.3%
  • Coloured: 21.2%
  • Indian/Asian: 14.7%
  • White: 8.1%
So, of all Black people, 35.3% are unemployed. Of all white people, 8.1% are unemployed. Obviously skills and the like need to be added in and comparing a very small part of the population to the majority isn't helpfull but it definitely shows that whites, as a group are a lot less likely to be unemployed (for whatever reason).
 
Let's look at the last 6 years
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How did the Indian/Asian Group spike like that jump back down around 2021? Where is the data for that?
But this has been 6 years with BEE? Where is this magical time where it's going to fix the unemployment rate? Now they're adding more and more to try fix that blue line?
If BEE had been done right, with sunset clauses and proper incentives sure, go for it. But currently
That would be a significantly different policy from an open-ended empowerment programme. In that scenario, BEE would function more like a development programme with measurable success criteria rather than a permanent feature of the regulatory landscape.
For example, Parliament could have legislated something like:
GoalTargetIncentive
Black tertiary STEM graduatesTriple by 2020Tax credits for companies funding bursaries
Black-owned SMEsDouble within 20 yearsReduced corporate tax for investment in start-ups
Management representationReach agreed industry benchmarksReduced reporting requirements once achieved
Access to capitalExpand development financeGovernment-backed loan guarantees
Skills developmentApprenticeships and vocational trainingPayroll tax rebates
The sunset clause might have included provisions such as:
  • Reviews every five years by an independent commission.
  • Clear, published metrics for success.
  • Automatic expiry after 20–25 years unless Parliament passed new legislation based on evidence.
  • As targets were met, compliance requirements would gradually be reduced rather than ending abruptly.
Such a framework could have offered several advantages:
  • Regulatory certainty: Businesses could plan investments knowing exactly how long the programme would last.
  • Focus on outcomes: Success would be judged by improvements in education, employment, entrepreneurship and wealth creation rather than by compliance scores alone.
  • Reduced administrative burden: As milestones were achieved, companies would spend less time on verification and more on productive activity.
  • Political accountability: Government would have to demonstrate measurable progress rather than simply extending or expanding the programme.
Instead, South Africa's empowerment policy evolved incrementally rather than following a fixed roadmap with an end date.
Broadly, the trajectory was:
  • 1994–2002: The government pursued transformation through various initiatives, but there was no single, comprehensive BEE framework.
  • 2003: The Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment Act established the legal framework for BEE, with the aim of promoting broader participation in the economy.
  • Mid-2000s onward: Detailed Codes of Good Practice were introduced, creating scorecards covering ownership, management control, skills development, enterprise development, procurement, and other elements.
  • 2013 revisions: The Codes were significantly revised. Requirements became more stringent in several areas, and certain elements (such as ownership, skills development, and enterprise and supplier development) became "priority elements," meaning companies faced penalties on their scorecards if they did not meet minimum thresholds.
  • Sector-specific charters: Industries such as mining, finance, ICT, and others developed their own transformation charters, each with different targets and compliance requirements.
  • Ongoing changes: Thresholds, scorecard weightings, verification standards, and procurement rules have continued to evolve over time, often requiring businesses to adapt their compliance strategies.
From the perspective of many businesses, the main criticisms have been:
  • Compliance became increasingly complex and costly.
  • The rules changed often enough that long-term planning was more difficult.
  • Different sectors sometimes had different requirements.
  • Smaller firms could find the administrative burden particularly challenging.
Supporters of the approach argue that:
  • Economic transformation has taken longer than anticipated.
  • Persistent inequality and disparities in ownership and management justified strengthening the policy over time.
  • Broad-based measures, including skills development and supplier development, have expanded the focus beyond ownership alone.
So, compared with the hypothetical sunset-clause model you described:
Sunset-clause modelWhat occurred
Fixed duration (e.g. 20 years)No legislated end date
Success measured against predefined targetsOngoing adjustments as policy evolved
Compliance gradually reduced as goals were metCompliance framework generally expanded and became more detailed
High regulatory certaintyPeriodic legislative and regulatory changes
 
Even when system is rigged against whitey, literally forced to pick them last. Still winning.

Sounds like a skill issue. Git gud.
Ya nee. Thats how inequality works. Money talks and whitey has the money and the wealth and capital. Which was accumulated over decades through exploitation during Apartheid. The only thing the whitey is more skilled at is exploitation. If you want to be proud of that then eish.
 
I wish that was true... if it was I wouldn't come here occasionally moaning about the kuk job I am stuck at.
Is every single white person better off than every single black person?: no
Are there thousands upon thousands of white people genuinely struggling? yes, most definitely

AND IN ADDITION:
Is the average white person better off than the average black person?: absolutely by orders of magnitude

Even within the white population there is huge inequality. I fully acknowlege this fact and dynamic.

Hope you feel seen and heard now and I hope your struggles lessen over time as much as I hope it so for every struggling person in this country.
 
Exactly this, if you're white and have a job, you stick to it, even if you don't enjoy it. Yet you see black colleagues get praised for doing such a great job, get promoted and get to leave SA due to them doing such a wonderful job.
FTFY.

at any rate this is not for long, as it's doing my mental health in, not the AA, the working conditions etc.. and being treated like a slave. I can do better than this, I can rise up and say "NO MORE" and build my own enterprise.
 
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