IRAN WAR: You can't lose, if you don't have a goal

Vorastra said:
"Wow the EU should've increased military spending, didn't those idiots know we'd make things worse in Ukraine for them????"

When you realise the US is the reason for a lot of the issues in Europe, is the day I realise you're finally understanding how the world works.

"I know we destabilised Syria and North Africa that lead to the massive wave of illegals into Europe, but those idiots didn't have to let them in!"
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Putin already invaded Ukraine.

US isn't the problem in Europe. Their welfare state is.
 
konfab said:
Putin already invaded Ukraine.

US isn't the problem in Europe. Their welfare state is.
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No, the US literally is the problem everywhere in most places (let's be...accurate lmao).

The Ukraine war is a direct result of the US meddling in Europe.

The refugee crisis in Europe is a direct result of the US meddling in North Africa and in the ME.

The current global fuel crisis is a direct result of the US meddling with Iran.

People like to have it both ways with the US. It's somehow the only super power left, but also...we can't blame it for anything.

 
Vorastra said:
No, the US literally is the problem everywhere in most places (let's be...accurate lmao).

The Ukraine war is a direct result of the US meddling in Europe.

The refugee crisis in Europe is a direct result of the US meddling in North Africa and in the ME.

The current global fuel crisis is a direct result of the US meddling with Iran.

People like to have it both ways with the US. It's somehow the only super power left, but also...we can't blame it for anything.

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Now you've gone and done it. Just wait for the excuses about why they were justified in their meddling...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Now you've gone and done it. Just wait for the excuses about why they were justified in their meddling...
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I will never understand why anyone simps for the current US while not living there. It's not European, they share no common values with Europe at all. Every decision they make hurts Europe to benefit themselves. They literally threatened Europe with taking Greenland with the excuse of security when in fact it's purely economic as the Arctic circle is opening up and will be a new MASSIVE economic area in a few decades that will GREATLY benefit Europe (incl. Russia).
 
Vorastra said:
I will never understand why anyone simps for the current US while not living there. It's not European, they share no common values with Europe at all. Every decision they make hurts Europe to benefit themselves. They literally threatened Europe with taking Greenland with the excuse of security when in fact it's purely economic as the Arctic circle is opening up and will be a new MASSIVE economic area in a few decades that will GREATLY benefit Europe (incl. Russia).
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A lot of European citizens simp for trump though. His anti-non-white immigrant rhetoric resonates with them. He attacks Europe for losing its white roots. I thought that would jam with you too, Vor
 
Splinter said:
It's amazing how you blissfully endorse terrorism.
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I'm the guy who calls out magical thinking. Saying that overland pipelines are vulnerable (and, frankly, insignificant, given the volumes) is fundamentally a better assessment of reality than "we don't need no stinkin' Hormuz" (good luck with that).
 
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Vorastra said:
No, the US literally is the problem everywhere in most places (let's be...accurate lmao).

The Ukraine war is a direct result of the US meddling in Europe.

The refugee crisis in Europe is a direct result of the US meddling in North Africa and in the ME.

The current global fuel crisis is a direct result of the US meddling with Iran.

People like to have it both ways with the US. It's somehow the only super power left, but also...we can't blame it for anything.

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I can't for the life of me think why they would be doing these things.

Mike Hoxbig said:
Now you've gone and done it. Just wait for the excuses about why they were justified in their meddling...
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Please tell me more. Whilst you're about it, perhaps give your understanding of the difference between reasons and excuses.
 
Vorastra said:
No, the US literally is the problem everywhere in most places (let's be...accurate lmao).

The Ukraine war is a direct result of the US meddling in Europe.

The refugee crisis in Europe is a direct result of the US meddling in North Africa and in the ME.

The current global fuel crisis is a direct result of the US meddling with Iran.

People like to have it both ways with the US. It's somehow the only super power left, but also...we can't blame it for anything.

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I can't for the life of me think why they would be doing these things.

Mike Hoxbig said:
Now you've gone and done it. Just wait for the excuses about why they were justified in their meddling...
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Please tell me more. Whilst you're about it, perhaps give your understanding of the difference between reasons and excuses.
Vorastra said:
Enlighten us, I want to read this.
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Which part of "I can't think of why" is causing you the confusion?
 
ghaye said:
I can't for the life of me think why they would be doing these things.


Please tell me more. Whilst you're about it, perhaps give your understanding of the difference between reasons and excuses.

Which part of "I can't think of why" is causing you the confusion?
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The part where it seems very much like your comment is sarcastic. Also I think you double posted.
 
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hexagon said:
I'm the guy who calls out magical thinking. Saying that overland pipelines are vulnerable (and, frankly, insignificant, given the volumes) is fundamentally a better assessment of reality than "we don't need no stinkin' Hormuz" (good luck with that).
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Sure....
 
hexagon said:
The U.S. is progressively losing all of its assets in the Middle East, bar one significant exception (although the owner/owned distinction is rather debatable in that instance...)
https://twitter.com/x/status/2082773984450416920
https://twitter.com/x/status/2082879291956527553
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Trump has singlehandedly fked up near the entire US military hegemony in the area that took many decades to establish, along with all their priceless military assets, the US is going to feel this for many many years to come.
Ironically by convincing the USA to join their war Israel has also screwed the pooch because without US bases all over the area going forward they are going to be more exposed and vulnerable than ever, well done for throwing Israel under the bus Bibi.
 
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