Whitey Basson says keeping Starlink out of SA is discouraging investment in rural areas

juanthyme said:
no need to be a sarcastic ********
he could make a commercial choice to launch with local partners while waiting for local licensing to become an option (as Amazon has done - who have exactly the same model as Starlink in countries which allow it)
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Amazon's partner doesn't even have the required licensing to launch the product. They also haven't applied for it yet. So that's not the amazing example you think it is.

On the flip-side: If our government wasn't moving at the speed of frozen molasses, they would have introduced temporary licensing or permission while they sort out the legal framework. But they are too kak at their job.

Thank the DA for their wonderful work. They have been trying their best to emulate the work ethic of the ANC. Peas in a pod. Government of Unity indeed.
 
juanthyme said:
no need to be a sarcastic ********
he could make a commercial choice to launch with local partners while waiting for local licensing to become an option (as Amazon has done - who have exactly the same model as Starlink in countries which allow it)
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What absolute nonsense.

You obviously have no idea what is going on with this specific situation.

Musk has no interest in BEEE kak...and rightly so.

And ICASA are dragging their collective, grounded in stupidity, feet regarding an EEIP of R500 million...which Musk has already agreed upon.

Educate yourself.
 
juanthyme said:
no need to be a sarcastic ********
he could make a commercial choice to launch with local partners while waiting for local licensing to become an option (as Amazon has done - who have exactly the same model as Starlink in countries which allow it)
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They've done that in other countries. Deals with Vodacom etc.

My understanding is it's the particular racial slant to these local partner rules here in SA that Musk objects to. Most countries have some sort of local ownership rules for entities operating within the country, but few, if any, have rules about the racial makeup of that partner.
 
Snaaks....so Whitey is advocating for more Rands to get taken out of the SA economy that he makes money from... So that some American/Canadian guy can get in. Transformation ek se.
 
Slckrck said:
Snaaks....so Whitey is advocating for more Rands to get taken out of the SA economy that he makes money from... So that some American/Canadian guy can get in. Transformation ek se.
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So you can have a business backed up by a R1000 odd a month going to America….and make millions in revenue.

Or you can have no business….

The math is hard I see.

It’s about enablement.
 
Sopbeen said:
Amazon's partner doesn't even have the required licensing to launch the product. They also haven't applied for it yet. So that's not the amazing example you think it is.

On the flip-side: If our government wasn't moving at the speed of frozen molasses, they would have introduced temporary licensing or permission while they sort out the legal framework. But they are too kak at their job.

Thank the DA for their wonderful work. They have been trying their best to emulate the work ethic of the ANC. Peas in a pod. Government of Unity indeed.
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Herotel - only the first partner to be annouced in SA - is going to apply for spectrum now that the deal is signed, Will probably wiat to see which other distribution partners are announced and see of they can do a spectrum sharing agreement.

It's a valid and accurate example
 
TheMightyQuin said:
What absolute nonsense.

You obviously have no idea what is going on with this specific situation.

Musk has no interest in BEEE kak...and rightly so.

And ICASA are dragging their collective, grounded in stupidity, feet regarding an EEIP of R500 million...which Musk has already agreed upon.

Educate yourself.
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I know exactly what is happening, it is my area of expertise.
yours is responding to substance with BEE / cANCer / ICARSA etc which is collectively what has made this forum ****
Already educated. Seems unlikely to be an option for you.
 
juanthyme said:
I know exactly what is happening, it is my area of expertise.
yours is responding to substance with BEE / cANCer / ICARSA etc which is collectively what has made this forum ****
Already educated. Seems unlikely to be an option for you.
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substance?

The only substance here is the one that you're abusing. You are drunk on the ANC's Koolaid.
 
RonSwanson said:
substance?

The only substance here is the one that you're abusing. You are drunk on the ANC's Koolaid.
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I am asking about different business models for launching LEO satellites - issue of substance
MYBB: You are drunk on ANC's Koolaid

about right
 
juanthyme said:
I know exactly what is happening, it is my area of expertise.
yours is responding to substance with BEE / cANCer / ICARSA etc which is collectively what has made this forum ****
Already educated. Seems unlikely to be an option for you.
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Then make it seem so.

I have given the facts of this situation. And have given it very clearly.

You decided to respond in an emotional way. Which seems odd for someone that claims to not only have all the facts, but also an expert.

So let me break it down with the following questions:

  • Does South African law mandate that telecommunications licensees have a minimum of 30% equity held by historically disadvantaged groups? Is this part of their BEEE strategy?
  • Did the Department of Communications and Digital Technologies proposed allowing multinational firms to satisfy empowerment terms via Equity Equivalent Investment Programs (EEIPs) (such as Starlink's pledge to invest R500 million to connect rural schools)?
Also please quote clearly and point out where in my initial response I used the terms cANCer and ICARSA?
 
TheMightyQuin said:
Then make it seem so.

I have given the facts of this situation. And have given it very clearly.

You decided to respond in an emotional way. Which seems odd for someone that claims to not only have all the facts, but also an expert.

So let me break it down with the following questions:

  • Does South African law mandate that telecommunications licensees have a minimum of 30% equity held by historically disadvantaged groups? Is this part of their BEEE strategy?
  • Did the Department of Communications and Digital Technologies proposed allowing multinational firms to satisfy empowerment terms via Equity Equivalent Investment Programs (EEIPs) (such as Starlink's pledge to invest R500 million to connect rural schools)?
Also please quote clearly and point out where in my initial response I used the terms cANCer and ICARSA?
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Answers to your questions
What is your point? [other than your opposition to BEE]
Mine is that Amazon faced the same issue but made a plan.

Musk has no interest in BEEE kak...and rightly so.

And ICASA are dragging their collective, grounded in stupidity, feet regarding an EEIP of R500 million...which Musk has already agreed upon.

Educate yourself.
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okay...
 
juanthyme said:
Answers to your questions
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Of course I am opposed to BEEE. It's ridiculous and does not work apart from enriching cadres. Luckily Musk is alos opposed to it and will not be forced into it.

Thus the issue is NOT SpaceX business model but rather the ANC' BEEE policies. Why should he sell off 33% of his stake?

The primary regulatory hurdle for Starlink's launch, centers on South Africa’s equity and ownership rules under Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment (B-BBEE) legislation, rather than a test or assessment metric.

So when will the ECA be amended so that the proposed EEIP can come into play?

The issue here is that the ANC does not want the proposed R500 million for rural school communications development, because they cannot line their pockets that way.

They want that juicy BEEE deal.
 
TheMightyQuin said:
Of course I am opposed to BEEE. It's ridiculous and does not work apart from enriching cadres. Luckily Musk is alos opposed to it and will not be forced into it.

Thus the issue is NOT SpaceX business model but rather the ANC' BEEE policies. Why should he sell off 33% of his stake?

The primary regulatory hurdle for Starlink's launch, centers on South Africa’s equity and ownership rules under Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment (B-BBEE) legislation, rather than a test or assessment metric.

So when will the ECA be amended so that the proposed EEIP can come into play?

The issue here is that the ANC does not want the proposed R500 million for rural school communications development, because they cannot line their pockets that way.

They want that juicy BEEE deal.
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He does not have to sell of 30% of his stake. There is a local spacex entity which already has 30% ownership by historically disadvantaged groups....has been that way for the last 5 years.
Amendment to the ECA in the next 2-3 years (the law moves slowly, not just here)
[I don't make the rules. Trying to understand why Starlink would make a commercial decision which hurts them - they have first mover advantage, coverage, brand recognition, kits in country etc. If it is a principled stance - fine, that is their choice - but i will be surprised if they don't make a plan before Amazon launches]
 
juanthyme said:
Trying to understand why Starlink would make a commercial decision which hurts them - they have first mover advantage, coverage, brand recognition, kits in country etc.
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SA is hardly a honeypot for them, they can afford to wait patiently or plan slowly.

juanthyme said:
If it is a principled stance - fine, that is their choice - but i will be surprised if they don't make a plan before Amazon launches]
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We all know where Musk stands re the ANC and it is his home land, so although anything is possible here I certainly think the opposite - remember Amazon will start with a very small network compared so won't be able to offer much for quite a few years.

Problem is that the ANC are almost always self-centred in their "efforts", hopefully you won't try deny that. So it may just end up another failure for SA.
 
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