RAM prices are ridiculous

Progenix Oj101 said:
Maybe this can help a bit:

progenix.co.za

GeIL POLARIS RGB AMD EXPO Edition 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 DRAM 5600MHz CL38 1.25V GAOSG532GB5600C38AD Memory Kit — Titanium Grey — Best Deals at Progenix — South Africa

The POLARIS series represents the time of performance DDR5 memory. Players can personalize their own gaming PCs. In addition to fully forming their personal style, they have excellent performance and bring you an immersive gaming experience. Polaris DDR5
progenix.co.za progenix.co.za

It should be the cheapest in the country - cheaper than even non-RGB DDR5-4800 :)
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What is the warranty and how does the aftermarket support look it'll be like?
 
Herr der Verboten said:
Chyna ram spying on you?
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Say what? 😅

airborne said:
What is the warranty and how does the aftermarket support look it'll be like?
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Limited lifetime, industry standard. GeIL support has been unnecessary, I've been using their Gemini range for lower end (DDR4, so think Ryzen 5 5500 and the like) gaming PCs for around 3 years and haven't had any RMAs to date (touch wood).

The PM offered me a choice for my birthday sales (this month) - a range of dozens of products with reasonable discounts, or a single show stopper.
 
Progenix Oj101 said:
Say what?


Limited lifetime, industry standard. GeIL support has been unnecessary, I've been using their Gemini range for lower end (DDR4, so think Ryzen 5 5500 and the like) gaming PCs for around 3 years and haven't had any RMAs to date (touch wood).

The PM offered me a choice for my birthday sales (this month) - a range of dozens of products with reasonable discounts, or a single show stopper.
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Cool, is it one year warranty with you and then limited lifetime via the supplier beyond that?

Realistically how long before the limited warranty on RAM like this would end?

Edit: Would a 9800X3D build be hamstrung a bit with this RAM?
 
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RogueTr00per said:
Cool, is it one year warranty with you and then limited lifetime via the supplier beyond that?
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Nope, I'm not... OK I won't name names, but I know some places do that. It's with me start to finish, or the local distributor/GeIL themselves IF you so choose (these are not grey/parallel imports, and fully backed by the distributor). Refusing customers and sending them to the supplier/manufacturer is just laziness.

RogueTr00per said:
Realistically how long before the limited warranty on RAM like this would end?
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That's a really good question, because I haven't heard of people finding the limit. A few years ago (circa 2023?), I successfully RMA'd a Corsair DDR2 module.

In general, I'd speculate a few years after DDR5 is effectively dead would be reasonable. Gotta balance having it long enough to be meaningful, but not so long that old stock has to be kept until the end of time.

I get the feeling that it's basically until all possible replacement stock is depleted, but of course nobody in the industry will comment on record.
 
EmmanuelGoldstein said:
More like Chinesium and very much more likely to FAIL.
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You know GeIL is a Taiwanese company, right? They only started using Chinese DRAM ICs about a month ago, and this stock is definitely older than that.

If you're not familiar with GeIL, you can thank them for lifetime warranties which they introduced in the early 2000s. Before that, 1-3 years was standard.
 
Progenix Oj101 said:
You know GeIL is a Taiwanese company, right? They only started using Chinese DRAM ICs about a month ago, and this stock is definitely older than that.

If you're not familiar with GeIL, you can thank them for lifetime warranties which they introduced in the early 2000s. Before that, 1-3 years was standard.
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Unfortunately not. Kingston was the first in 1988.
Several others followed suit, before Geil.

Geil apparently was the first to use heatsinks.
 
Mirai said:
Unfortunately not. Kingston was the first in 1988.
Several others followed suit, before Geil.

Geil apparently was the first to use heatsinks.
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Interesting. After doing some digging, I think it depends on the broader definition at play.

Lifetime Memory Products - claims to be lifetime since 1981, but they were an industrial supplier. They also claim to be ONE OF the first, not THE first, so lifetime may have gone back further still, but only for the industrial market.

Kingston - I found a Kingston advert from 1992 that claims lifetime warranty for workstation products. "Something that gives real meaning to Kingston 's lifetime warranty on all workstation memory products."


I also managed to find several references to Kingston "hobbyist" memory products having a 2-5 year warranty around that time-frame, although I've honestly never considered the PC to be a hobbyist device.

GeIL may have claim if they're referring specifically to enthusiast/consumer/overclocked RAM (XMP etc wasn't a thing back then, but you had companies selling the likes of PC-166 and later DDR600 RAM). GeIL was certainly one of the loudest names with overclocked RAM in the early 2000s, I still have a set of GeIL One, named after the CL1.5 timings when CL2 or even CL3 was the standard.

I believe that the "truly first" lifetime warranty predates anything I've found, especially given LMP's wording ("one of the first" rather than "the first"), and I think Kingston may have been the first for business users, and maybe GeIL the first for consumers/enthusiasts?

Unfortunately I can't say anything as concrete as I thought an hour ago, at least not without access to all old print adverts from the era, but I'm happy to concede to a point closer to "we can thank GeIL for lifetime warranties on enthusiast RAM - without their first move, we might be voiding RAM warranties by enabling XMP." I'm equally happy to revise that should further evidence come to light.

Regardless, GeIL is a big name in the history of RAM, and some of the automated testing equipment they showed off at CES during the 2000s drew plenty of attention to their levels of QC.

As an aside, during my digging I came across the Kingston SX/Now, a maths co-processor with the catch phrase "Turn your 286 into a 386 with the SX/Now!"
 
I think Geil may have been spinning this and saying they were the first who sold DIY memory with heatsinks. So a specific niche. ValueRAM did not fit this niche. It was not equipped with heat spreaders and RGB.

Crucial was selling lifetime warranty memory in 1999 or before.

Crucial Technology Warranty Information

Crucial Technology warranty and support information for domestic sales.
web.archive.org
 
Progenix Oj101 said:
有限使用寿命，行业标准。GeIL 的售后支持对我来说完全没必要，我用他们的 Gemini 系列产品组装低端游戏电脑（DDR4 内存，比如 Ryzen 5 5500 之类的），用了大概三年了，至今还没出过任何 RMA 问题（但愿如此）。

产品经理给了我两个生日促销的选择（就在本月）：要么从几十种折扣力度不错的产品中挑选，要么就买一件特别吸引眼球的单品。
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Huh? When your ram becomes a marketing proxy, move over smart TV apps. What did you do with Oj101, is he okay?

:P
 
You know times are tough when Sabrent, a RAM and SSD vendor, doesn't have a single DRAM or NAND banner on their homepage, instead having handheld fans, docking stations and chargers:

Sabrent

Sabrent
sabrent.com sabrent.com

Their homepage has two mentions of SSDs, no mention of RAM, and about a dozen mentions of HDMI splitters, chargers, KVM switches, etc.
 
Progenix Oj101 said:
Maybe this can help a bit:

progenix.co.za

GeIL POLARIS RGB AMD EXPO Edition 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 DRAM 5600MHz CL38 1.25V GAOSG532GB5600C38AD Memory Kit — Titanium Grey — Best Deals at Progenix — South Africa

The POLARIS series represents the time of performance DDR5 memory. Players can personalize their own gaming PCs. In addition to fully forming their personal style, they have excellent performance and bring you an immersive gaming experience. Polaris DDR5
progenix.co.za progenix.co.za

It should be the cheapest in the country - cheaper than even non-RGB DDR5-4800 :)
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Nice offer. Am tempted to buy even though I don't have an AM5 system. Had planned to upgrade this year before all the madness began...
 
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