Important new rules for anyone using the iconic Sea Point Promenade

[notayoba]

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No surprise this is being driven by a bunch of rugmunching Karens.

Yoh. That's 2 of the most stereotypical looking stereotypes I've seen in a long time. One of them just needs a tabletop haircut and more sensible sandals, and the picture could be used as a stock photo where needed.

 

[Zellephant]

The problem is not the e-bikes it’s riding them on the promenade which should be reserved for human powered traffic only because it gets so busy.
But the real issue in this instance is the e-bike rentals on the promenade purposely for people to ride on the promenade, which puts hordes of clueless joy riders who weave in and out of pedestrians at high speeds. I've experienced it and it’s not fun to take a stroll there anymore, I've almost been mowed done a few times so I'm now always on edge, quite a few pedestrians have been taken out and riders have had some very serious injuries, shocked totally unsurprising...

They could leave everything as it is but ban the e-bike rentals and revert to the human powered rentals only as it was before and the problem would be solved. The issue isn't people riding their own e-bikes, though I would specifically ban them on the promenade itself just because considering the huge pedestrian traffic it’s not the place for them but it’s the rental e-bike hordes that have stuffed it up for everyone.

You realise all the rental e-bikes and scooters are already speed restricted to around 20km/h. Analogue/human powered bikes can exceed those speeds easily.

So your argument is moot. I did a ride on my “human powered” bike this morning through town. My average speed for the 90minute ride was 32.4km/h

The problem is not the equipment, it’s the reckless people using the equipment - and the bylaws already exist to police them

 

[MrGray]

The DA salivates at any excuse to make a new regulation.

 

[TofuMofu]

I love how the DA gets attacked for making rules and regulations, but when you go to say Joburg where anything goes, it's a fukin mess and free for all. You guys really need to get your heads checked.

You'd hate places like Singapore

 

[wingnut771]

I love how the DA gets attacked for making rules and regulations, but when you go to say Joburg where anything goes, it's a fukin mess and free for all. You guys really need to get your heads checked.

You'd hate places like Singapore

Singapore enforce their rules. Don’t see much of that in seapoint.

 

[EMAM]

They should just ban them.
Had a nightmare walk there on Sunday trying to dodge them

 

[airborne]

You realise all the rental e-bikes and scooters are already speed restricted to around 20km/h. Analogue/human powered bikes can exceed those speeds easily.

So your argument is moot. I did a ride on my “human powered” bike this morning through town. My average speed for the 90minute ride was 32.4km/h

The problem is not the equipment, it’s the reckless people using the equipment - and the bylaws already exist to police them

Common sense awol as usual and reading comprehension mia.

Have you felt what 20km to dead stop does to the body, it’s not pretty but I digress, the issue as I stated clearly isn't owner riders who are generally experienced in handling their bikes, it’s the rental riders on a one time joy ride trying to maximise the fun factor/value for money, typically with very little riding experience so they naturally have accidents far more than is usual.

But by all means let them joy ride and eat tarmac as they please, just not on the promenade itself which is full of pedestrians, it’s not the place. And the precedent in many countries is to ban e-bikes in busy pedestrian areas, for obvious reasons.

 

[Zellephant]

I love how the DA gets attacked for making rules and regulations, but when you go to say Joburg where anything goes, it's a fukin mess and free for all. You guys really need to get your heads checked.

You'd hate places like Singapore

Well - I will admit it's not exactly on my list of places I want to live - regardless of how much I respect what they have done with the place.

The difference is, Singapore has lots of mostly reasonable rules, which are strictly enforced - which nurtures a culture of good behaviour.

Here, the necessary rules already exist, but aren't enforced. So the socialist DA rather wants to make up more rules, which target the wrong issues, but give them more overarching control over people's daily lives. It is not in any way the same as Singapore.

 

[Zellephant]

Common sense awol as usual and reading comprehension mia.

Have you felt what 20km to dead stop does to the body, it’s not pretty but I digress, the issue as I stated clearly isn't owner riders who are generally experienced in handling their bikes, it’s the rental riders on a one time joy ride trying to maximise the fun factor/value for money, typically with very little riding experience so they naturally have accidents far more than is usual.

But by all means let them joy ride and eat tarmac as they please, just not on the promenade itself which is full of pedestrians, it’s not the place. And the precedent in many countries is to ban e-bikes in busy pedestrian areas, for obvious reasons.

Yes, I played rugby in my youth, and I do Downhill MTBing to this day. I have eaten dirt at a lot more than 20Km/h on a regular basis. 20KM/h really isn't that fast.

Also, as a regular user of the promenade, I have yet to experience these so-called kamikaze tourists joyriding on the prom. We walked with our toddler in their pram on the prom on Saturday - a lovely, warm weather day, and the prom was busy - and yet we never felt in danger. This is a fake outrage by Karens, just like the e-scooter outrage in Stellies.

 

[Ninja'd]

What is your solution?

 

[shooter69]

You realise all the rental e-bikes and scooters are already speed restricted to around 20km/h. Analogue/human powered bikes can exceed those speeds easily.

So your argument is moot. I did a ride on my “human powered” bike this morning through town. My average speed for the 90minute ride was 32.4km/h

The problem is not the equipment, it’s the reckless people using the equipment - and the bylaws already exist to police them

I don't see people racing human powered bicycles on the prom. I see e-scooters going kak fast there all the time.
I would agree with banning electric powered scooters and cycles in public spaces.

 

[Zellephant]

I don't see people racing human powered bicycles on the prom. I see e-scooters going kak fast there all the time.
I would agree with banning electric powered scooters and cycles in public spaces.

I suggest you don't ever visit most of Europe then. They are all over there, along with hundreds of bicycles riding at much more than 20km/h per hour - and everyone seems to survive.

The first time walking in the streets in Belgian or Dutch towns is a bit of a wild experience. But as soon as you get used to it, it all works pretty well.

Also - how are these rental e-scooter going "kak fast" when they are speed restricted to either 18km/h or 24km/h?

Like I said, I also use the prom regularly, including this past Saturday, on a lovely warm day - with a baby in a pram - and I didnt experience, nor have a I ever experienced, these life-threatening tourists.

 

[shooter69]

I suggest you don't ever visit most of Europe then. They are all over there, along with hundreds of bicycles riding at much more than 20km/h per hour - and everyone seems to survive.

The first time walking in the streets in Belgian or Dutch towns is a bit of a wild experience. But as soon as you get used to it, it all works pretty well.

Also - how are these rental e-scooter going "kak fast" when they are speed restricted to either 18km/h or 24km/h?

Like I said, I also use the prom regularly, including this past Saturday, on a lovely warm day - with a baby in a pram - and I didnt experience, nor have a I ever experienced, these life-threatening tourists.

Well, strolling at 5km an hour with 3 youngsters moving at 18 to 24km's an hour through hoards of people feels like they are going kak fast. I also frequent the prom very regularly. My favorite place for some light runs and even when running it feels like they are zooming past you at speed.

 

[Zellephant]

Well, strolling at 5km an hour with 3 youngsters moving at 18 to 24km's an hour through hoards of people feels like they are going kak fast. I also frequent the prom very regularly. My favorite place for some light runs and even when running it feels like they are zooming past you at speed.

Grow a pair, and run a bit faster

 

[airborne]

Yes, I played rugby in my youth, and I do Downhill MTBing to this day. I have eaten dirt at a lot more than 20Km/h on a regular basis. 20KM/h really isn't that fast.

Also, as a regular user of the promenade, I have yet to experience these so-called kamikaze tourists joyriding on the prom. We walked with our toddler in their pram on the prom on Saturday - a lovely, warm weather day, and the prom was busy - and yet we never felt in danger. This is a fake outrage by Karens, just like the e-scooter outrage in Stellies.

You are talking bs as usual.
Going from 20km/h to a dead stop can cause severe injury, one guy had a scooter going full pace go head-on into him a few weeks back and landed up in hospital with multiple broken bones, there's been a few similar incidents.

This issue is brought up often on the resident groups in Sea Point, the experience is unanimous that ebikes racing through pedestrians is not pleasant or safe. I’m on the promenade often and I've experienced it myself every time I’m there.
I have no problem with e-bikes just not on the promenade because its busy enough as it is, it’s not hard to understand, start another thread if you want to whine about the situation in Stellenbosch.

 

[GrootVoet]

I go for a walk often at Sea Point and the people on scooters and bicycles are a real danger to pedestrians so I am all for banning them.

 

[airborne]

I go for a walk often at Sea Point and the people on scooters and bicycles are a real danger to pedestrians so I am all for banning them.

No man stop with this garbage Karen behaviour/fake news - please see the post below from our local rugby boytjie/test dummy. /s

This is a fake outrage by Karens

 

[TofuMofu]

Is this also the DA's fault? lol

 

[Johnatan56]

Why doesn't the speed limit apply to normal bicycles?

Because it's usually difficult to speed up that quickly in a crowded environment, you generally need to put in some effort to do so, and rules like putting others at risk would apply if you're actually doing it recklessly. Most who have a normal/race bike are not going to be going that fast, it's just quite different if you have that instant torque from electric or not.

It's a lot easier for electronic stuff with people that are hobbyist to just go 8kmph.

Also, 8km/h??? are they smoking their socks? Will this apply to rollerbladers and runners as well? I run on the prom at least once a week - am I going to get a speeding ticket for running at 14km/h.

It's going to be a case of when enforced, and you're not going to get one from running as you're probably going to be taking care of others around you a lot better than those riding electric scooters with an instant torque.

And yes, there are multiple places in the world where you can run faster than the speed limit for scooters/bikes, that's fine, as those who can run that fast are generally fit/mobile enough that they're going to avoid running into people versus people riding scooters/bikes (that are also larger).

Here for bike lanes, there is no speed limit, but once you use an e-bike, it's limited to 25kmph (if you have a pedelec, you can exceed it, but it must be you pedaling above it). Once you're actually putting in effort yourself, that cuts off a lot of people from going past that speed, and generally most people don't do small speed bursts etc. all the time as it's a lot of effort to keep start/stopping when people cross the path.