Teacher salaries must be cut in half

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Zellephant said:
Shame.

Lucky for him, 77 000 people and their combined R30billiond rand do
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Do you even know what a teacher earns?
Give me one good reason why a teacher's salary would attract talent in your books.
Nah, parliment is where the waste is, not education spending.

Imagine earning R14-R25k per month and requiring a 4 year degree? You'd have to work at least 10 years to pay that loan off.
 
JerryMungo said:
Imagine earning R14-R25k per month and requiring a 4 year degree? You'd have to work at least 10 years to pay that loan off.
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Yup, And then any teacher worth anything would most likely get offers from a private school, bumping that up by about R10k per month and working in much a much better teaching environment.

So the richest schools get the best teachers and punlic schools are stuck with people who are either super dedicated or just dont care.
 
Cray said:
Yup, And then any teacher worth anything would most likely get offers from a private school, bumping that up by about R10k per month and working in much a much better teaching environment.

So the richest schools get the best teachers and punlic schools are stuck with people who are either super dedicated or just dont care.
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...and overworked.
 
JerryMungo said:
Do you even know what a teacher earns?
Give me one good reason why a teacher's salary would attract talent in your books.
Nah, parliment is where the waste is, not education spending.
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Well, teachers earn comparatively, adjusted for inflation on par with what they were earning in the 1980s and 1990, and it didn’t seem to be a problem then.

The average goverment employed teacher also currently earns around 2.5X the average South Africa salary.

So, it really isn’t that bad. Especially in a career anyone going into knows isn’t going to be a massive earner.
JerryMungo said:
Imagine earning R14-R25k per month and requiring a 4 year degree? You'd have to work at least 10 years to pay that loan off.
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Yeah, but that is nowhere near the average, and even if that really is what they are earning at first, it’s on par with many others starting out.

Also, who is taking out student loans to study to become a teacher. That seems like piss poor financial planning, especially considering the bulk of NSFAS bursaries go towards foundation phase teaching degrees and postgraduate teaching diplomas.
 
Zellephant said:
Well, teachers earn comparatively, adjusted for inflation on par with what they were earning in the 1980s and 1990, and it didn’t seem to be a problem then.

The average goverment employed teacher also currently earns around 2.5X the average South Africa salary.

So, it really isn’t that bad. Especially in a career anyone going into knows isn’t going to be a massive earner.

Yeah, but that is nowhere near the average, and even if that really is what they are earning at first, it’s on par with many others starting out.

Also, who is taking out student loans to study to become a teacher. That seems like piss poor financial planning, especially considering the bulk of NSFAS bursaries go towards foundation phase teaching degrees and postgraduate teaching diplomas.
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Lol.
 
They could halve the cost of textbook printing by halving the font size they're printed in. They could then print twice as many textbooks. 🤔

Similarly, they could reduce school waiting lists by reducing the font size of those too.

Epic savings and productivity improvements to be had.

I'm DM-ing Dawie now; expect another Newsday article shortly.
 
JerryMungo said:
Do you even know what a teacher earns?
Give me one good reason why a teacher's salary would attract talent in your books.
Nah, parliment is where the waste is, not education spending.

Imagine earning R14-R25k per month and requiring a 4 year degree? You'd have to work at least 10 years to pay that loan off.
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Well, R500 billion isn't pocket change. You'd have to split salaries out of that and then start looking for the corruption wastage.
How many teachers actually have a 4 year degree?
 
ghaye said:
Well, R500 billion isn't pocket change. You'd have to split salaries out of that and then start looking for the corruption wastage.
How many teachers actually have a 4 year degree?
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All of them. Foundation phase (primary school) teachers who actually study “teaching” have to complete a 4 year Bed degree.

High school teachers need a bachelors degree (3 or 4 year) plus a PGCE certificate.
 
Zellephant said:
All of them. Foundation phase (primary school) teachers who actually study “teaching” have to complete a 4 year Bed degree.

High school teachers need a bachelors degree (3 or 4 year) plus a PGCE certificate.
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How on earth to you complete 4 years of study and still can't teach?
 
Zellephant said:
Well, teachers earn comparatively, adjusted for inflation on par with what they were earning in the 1980s and 1990, and it didn’t seem to be a problem then.

The average goverment employed teacher also currently earns around 2.5X the average South Africa salary.

So, it really isn’t that bad. Especially in a career anyone going into knows isn’t going to be a massive earner.

Yeah, but that is nowhere near the average, and even if that really is what they are earning at first, it’s on par with many others starting out.

Also, who is taking out student loans to study to become a teacher. That seems like piss poor financial planning, especially considering the bulk of NSFAS bursaries go towards foundation phase teaching degrees and postgraduate teaching diplomas.
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So you are telling us you believe teachers should start on R8k per month and earn on average up to R13k per month?

My gardiner with no matric earns more per hour.
 
vigras rojara said:
They could halve the cost of textbook printing by halving the font size they're printed in. They could then print twice as many textbooks. 🤔

Similarly, they could reduce school waiting lists by reducing the font size of those too.

Epic savings and productivity improvements to be had.

I'm DM-ing Dawie now; expect another Newsday article shortly.
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They could also teach twice as much by reading and speaking quicker. Like a YouTube video with that speed slider. Imagine starting school at 7 and finishing at 10am and having until 1 to finish homework. Dawie should be reading this thread.
 
Zellephant said:
Yeah, but that is nowhere near the average, and even if that really is what they are earning at first, it’s on par with many others starting out.
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“Nearly half of all in-service teachers in the public system are considering leaving within the next decade.

The primary factors driving this potential mass exodus include overwork, underpayment, administrative paperwork, high stress, emotional burnout, and a lack of support.”

Sounds to me like it’s not worth the money. Halving salaries is guaranteed to collapse the system.
 
ghaye said:
How on earth to you complete 4 years of study and still can't teach?
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That is the big question. Mostly I don’t think it’s about whether they can or can’t, but whether they want to.

The problem with teaching (whether you go Bed or PGCE router) is that there is an extremely low barrier to entry - they are already not getting the best young minds at intake. You can get into a teaching degree even if you wouldn’t qualify for pretty much any other bachelors degree.

On top of that, an inordinate amount of bursaries are available for teaching qualifications. I won’t be surprised if 50% of all NSFAS bursaries go towards teachers.

So the majority are academically weak candidates from the start, then the coursework is not particularly challenging, and then they use the degree to get a COSATU protected job they essentially cannot be fired from no matter how little effort they put in.
JerryMungo said:
So you are telling us you believe teachers should start on R8k per month and earn on average up to R13k per month?

My gardiner with no matric earns more per hour.
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lots of other people, with other 4 year degrees do. Why should teachers be a protected class? Especially considering it’s not exactly a difficult qualification to obtain?

By the time I finished my 4 year degree, lots of people I went to school with, that dropped out or didn’t get university exemption were earning a hell of a lot more than my first salary. But that quickly changes.
JerryMungo said:
They could also teach twice as much by reading and speaking quicker. Like a YouTube video with that speed slider. Imagine starting school at 7 and finishing at 10am and having until 1 to finish homework. Dawie should be reading this thread.
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You joke - but it is kind of possible, if they start splitting classes up again based on how smart the kids are. The A classes can then be allowed to work through the coursework a lot faster, freeing up time for other activities and endeavours.

One of the biggest mistakes they made in public schools in recent time is doing away with splitting classes based on performance. Now the actual smart kids have to be held back, and be taught by overwhelmed teachers battling to get concepts over into the heads of less smart kids who actually need extra attention.
 
JerryMungo said:
“Nearly half of all in-service teachers in the public system are considering leaving within the next decade.

The primary factors driving this potential mass exodus include overwork, underpayment, administrative paperwork, high stress, emotional burnout, and a lack of support.”

Sounds to me like it’s not worth the money. Halving salaries is guaranteed to collapse the system.
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Do you believe this situation is unique to teachers?
 
Newsday said:
Teacher salaries must be cut in half

Economist Dawie Roodt said that teacher salaries in South Africa should be halved to double the number of teachers and demand higher performance standards.
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Wel in this case Dawie Roodt needs to actually go back to school and see how the Curriculum is absolutely terrrible.

Kids will perform much better when the curriculum is fixed.
They can start by just going back to the one that was used in 1994.

The problem start with what the kids are forced to learn.
The education system thinks by increasing the work load kids will just get smarter.

Sure there are very smart kids that can handle this but normally parents end up doing the work for the children.
When there is no parents to help the children usually just fail and fail again.

They realiy there needs to be a lot of time the build the basic foundation of reading, writing and math.
The rest can all be learned if those three things are solid.

Then there are time wasters like in langauge like the meaning of poems which is 90% made up by people.
Just remove that garbage.
 
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