Evidence that South African special forces murdered top detective shared with BBC

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Evidence that South African special forces murdered top detective shared with BBC

Frans Mathipa was shot while driving - we got access to the prosecution case against eight accused men.
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The BBC World Service has been given exclusive access to the prosecution case against all the men.

The case has caused consternation in one of Africa's most robust democracies, with fears the country's military is significantly overreaching its mandate.

We asked the South African army whether it was responsible for Mathipa's killing. It did not respond.

Several hundred pages of secret police and court documents, shared with the BBC, set out the evidence suggesting special forces killed Mathipa - who worked for an elite police unit known as "The Hawks".

We have also interviewed key sources in the police investigation - South Africa's former head of counter-terrorism in The Hawks; Mathipa's commanding officer; and Mathipa's family - to build the most comprehensive public account of the events leading up to the detective's death.

It presents a compelling case that South Africa's special forces are responsible for his murder.
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There has been no date scheduled for their trial, and there are concerns it will never go ahead, because three of the men charged with his murder have refused to comply with a court order revoking their bail. They are still working for the army's special forces, and one of them has been promoted.
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The fact that this can happen is beyond me.
 
"After Mathipa's death, special forces issued a chilling warning to The Hawks, the police documents say. "You can appoint 10 investigating officers; we will kill all of them," said the warning, according to police."

Lekker chilling stuff, and each of us are funding this with every hour of work we do or economic transaction we make.
Hence why I'd rather see a complete core-collapse of all state institutions including the military.

If the state mafia had access to more competence and resources things would the 10x worse for us all.
 
The cANCer always seems to support terrorism in some or other way.
 
Bloody sad that he had to die. He allegedly should have just taken the bribe and kept quiet - SA is ruthless when it comes to politics.
 
There's one thing I'm confused about... was he a good Islamic State operative before he went rogue?

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It seems ambitious for our DHA to be organising international intelligence assets (given any recent dealing with them)... Did they need outside assistance?

It's so hard to tell the good IS from the bad IS. I mean, we had to be educated that al Jolani was one of the good operatives.

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It's all so confusing /s
 
This was quite the emotional rollercoaster for me.

I am somewhat shocked that our special forces are coordinated and trained well enough to murder an elderly asthmatic mouse, let alone a human being.

I am however not shocked that they incompetently left evidence of their deed behind.

I am even further not shocked that the military didn't respond to questions from the BBC. The Pentium II they read their emails on has likely long ago been sold for smokes.
 
hexagon said:
There's one thing I'm confused about... was he a good Islamic State operative before he went rogue?

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It seems ambitious for our DHA to be organising international intelligence assets (given any recent dealing with them)... Did they need outside assistance?

It's so hard to tell the good IS from the bad IS. I mean, we had to be educated that al Jolani was one of the good operatives.

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www.mintpressnews.com

From ‘Terrorist’ to ‘Freedom Fighter’: How the West Rebranded Al-Qaeda’s Jolani as Syria’s ‘Woke’ New Leader

From CNN interviews to glowing profiles, Western outlets are working overtime to frame Al-Qaeda’s Abu Mohammad al-Jolani as Syria’s new, diversity-friendly leader., Abu Mohammed al-Jolani, Al Qaeda in Syria, al-Julani Israel policy, Bashar al-Assad ousted, CNN Jolani interview, Hayat Tahrir...
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It's all so confusing /s
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Nothing confusing. The West/Israel/CIA practically made islamic militants in Syria and elsewhere, now they are "whitewashing" a terrorist and his organisation because they want them to be in control of Syria, which will be to their advantage.

Those islamic terrorists actually apologised for mistakenly attacking Israel at Golan heights once, when Israel was invading and stealing land in Syria. ... that should tell it all.
 
longboy said:
Nothing confusing. The West/Israel/CIA practically made islamic militants in Syria and elsewhere, now they are "whitewashing" a terrorist and his organisation because they want them to be in control of Syria, which will be to their advantage.
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Exactly. I think that the likelihood that our Military / DHA cooked this asset up all on their own without foreign prompting is basically nil (not that they aren't up to their eyeballs).

I also think that, as intriguing as the BBC's reporting might be, it likely shares consistency, accuracy and sources with the al Jolani fable.

There probably is further work for an investigative journalist (there's certainly more material than has been disclosed).
 
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