What is driving the current “anti alcohol” rhetoric online

Zellephant said:
No one so far has tried to justify wanting to drink. I have purely stated I do, and I dont see a problem, and have put what I believe are reasonable questions forward to those advocating that the end of alcoholic consumption is a good thing. Some, like @HermeticAnarchist have put forward reasonable explanations. Others, who do not support drinking or do not see value in it have also put forward some reasonable points. Some have however, tried to make it all about alcohol abuse/misuse, which I have argued is a seperate argument. The one argument here I have and will not accept is the idea that is being put forward by some that there is absolutely no societal value brought by alcohol - or that its negatives are so heavy they easily outweigh any positive.
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You literally are bending yourself inside out to justify it.

You are welcome to still partake (as mentioned I do) but you are folding yourself in half and blowing smoke up your own ass to try pretend that their AREN'T many negatives around alcohol.

Zellephant said:
I cannot agree, and cannot see how anyone can objectively look at the entire question of it and come to that conclusion.
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The only "positive" is that it's a social thing, it doesn't have health benefits.

For many it's a crutch to overcome social anxiety.

And sure you can bring up the culture thing, but in many areas the culture is actually "super trash" because the culture that involves drinking alcohol leads to fighting and screwing around.

Zellephant said:
So, it is an individual issue - not an alcohol issue?
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In the same way crack cocaine is an individual issue. Any addictive thing is an "individual issue", but because alcohol has previously been super accepted it's easier for more people to fall victim when they lack the self control.

You are trying to write off the risks and negatives to support culture (because that's effectively the only positive thing)... cultures change and evolved.

The world is heading in the opposite direction with alcohol.
 
porchrat said:
I've not experienced this anti-alcohol rhetoric. Maybe I'm just running in different circles.
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OP seems to be taking it as a personal attack when many people are choosing to abstain. There are some that are lambasting alcohol but many I see still partake from time to time but are against the abuse.
 
Here's some interesting angles from AI. (Presume some hallucinogenic properties are present ;))

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Why...

The Science Behind the Claims
  • The Antioxidant Argument: Whiskey absorbs ellagic acid from the wooden barrels during the aging process. Ellagic acid is a powerful plant antioxidant that helps absorb free radicals. However, you can get far higher, safer doses of this exact antioxidant from eating berries, walnuts, and pomegranates without the toxic cellular effects of ethanol. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • The Macronutrient Profile: Unlike beer or sugary cocktails, neat whiskey contains zero carbohydrates, zero fat, and virtually no sugar. While this makes it a lower-calorie option for a lifestyle choice, it does not mean it actively improves your physical health. [1, 2, 3]
  • Cardiovascular and Blood Thinning Effects: Small amounts of alcohol can act as a temporary blood thinner and slightly raise high-density lipoprotein (HDL/"good") cholesterol. However, global medical studies show that any potential heart benefit is vastly outweighed by the increased risks of high blood pressure, stroke, and dependency. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
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Further on re science changing its mind...

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I reckon you can draw direct a correlation between the emergence of good cellphone cameras and social media, and the drop in alcohol consumption. I could to stupid ****, and by Monday it's forgotten, not splashed over Facebook.
 
warrenpridgeon said:
At the end of the day you don't NEED the alcohol content to have something that tastes nice.

"the health benefits" have largely been disproven.

"Because our forefathers did it" is literally the dumbest reason to do ANYTHING - it's the exact reason that things such as racism, slavery etc still continue to this day.

If you want to have booze... shap. That's your choice. I do from time to time.
The mental gymnastics to justify wanting to drink alcohol literally sounds like an alcoholic trying to avoid meetings.
Just say "I drink sometimes because I like to" and that's fine... there's no reason to defend it.

Alcohol is basically a "net negative". And for many people it's a big problem. Different individuals have different brain chemistry, personality types, circumstances etc.
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No one needs <insert> but we partake. However people themselves made it into abuse and said rituals.

For me personally for when I have my imported belgium or german proper then I actually and fully enjoy it - not dumb it down into bs.

This is same for coffee, sex, alcohol, bread making (which I do myself), my yogurt, etc etc.

Just because you can't handle or turned into kak has no bearing on me and my consumption.
 
warrenpridgeon said:
At the end of the day you don't NEED the alcohol content to have something that tastes nice.

"the health benefits" have largely been disproven.

"Because our forefathers did it" is literally the dumbest reason to do ANYTHING - it's the exact reason that things such as racism, slavery etc still continue to this day.

If you want to have booze... shap. That's your choice. I do from time to time.
The mental gymnastics to justify wanting to drink alcohol literally sounds like an alcoholic trying to avoid meetings.
Just say "I drink sometimes because I like to" and that's fine... there's no reason to defend it.

Alcohol is basically a "net negative". And for many people it's a big problem. Different individuals have different brain chemistry, personality types, circumstances etc.
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I mean... you don't really NEED most of the stuff we consume. We could survive off a nutrient paste.

Sort of takes the fun out of life though doesn't it...
 
porchrat said:
I mean... you don't really NEED most of the stuff we consume. We could survive off a nutrient paste.

Sort of takes the fun out of life though doesn't it...
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This is all a bit tongue in cheek, but that’s the scary part about all of this, and what is the driving force behind it - because effectively, the globalists and the WHO and WEF types would love it if everyone was reliant on some bland nutrient paste that was supplied only via their preferred supply chains.
 
Zellephant said:
This is all a bit tongue in cheek, but that’s the scary part about all of this, and what is the driving force behind it - because effectively, the globalists and the WHO and WEF types would love it if everyone was reliant on some bland nutrient paste that was supplied only via their preferred supply chains.
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Yes, alcohol can cause paranoia. Heavy drinking, binge drinking, acute intoxication, and withdrawal can disrupt brain chemicals like dopamine and serotonin. This imbalance impairs judgment, distorts reality, and triggers intense feelings of fear, suspicion, or alcohol-related psychosis
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Zellephant said:
This is all a bit tongue in cheek, but that’s the scary part about all of this, and what is the driving force behind it - because effectively, the globalists and the WHO and WEF types would love it if everyone was reliant on some bland nutrient paste that was supplied only via their preferred supply chains.
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I think you're reading way too much into this.

This is just people that don't drink.
 
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if you want to consume alcohol go ahead. Nobody is stopping you.

Just don't be like OP and minimise the real issues that exist around alcohol (and yes... similar things exist with sugar, energy drinks, cross the road without looking right left and right again - and waiting for the speeding taxi) but nobody is ending up in rehab from eating sugar and getting locked up for stealing TVs. lol

Herr der Verboten said:
Just because you can't handle or turned into kak has no bearing on me and my consumption.
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Not sure how we arrived here? I do drink booze occasionally, it was never a thing of "I'm no longer going to drink" type of decision or anything like that.
 
warrenpridgeon said:
if you want to consume alcohol go ahead. Nobody is stopping you.

Just don't be like OP and minimise the real issues that exist around alcohol (and yes... similar things exist with sugar, energy drinks, cross the road without looking right left and right again - and waiting for the speeding taxi) but nobody is ending up in rehab from eating sugar and getting locked up for stealing TVs. lol


Not sure how we arrived here? I do drink booze occasionally, it was never a thing of "I'm no longer going to drink" type of decision or anything like that.
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Yeah, they skip rehab and go straight to the renal dialysis unit - or the orthopeadic unit for amputations instead.

Or to the oncology unit for chemo.

Let’s not fool ourselves, if we want to talk about a substance being “nett negative to society”, there is no drug on earth that comes close to refined sugar
 
Herr der Verboten said:
Not sure I can drink a speeding taxi…
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It would probably be tough to catch a Taxi Cocktail (A classic mix of gin, dry vermouth, a dash of lime juice, and a hint of absinthe) or a Mambo Taxi (A popular frozen tequila and margarita variation layered with a splash of red wine) or a Tijuana Taxi (A bright blue drink blending tequila, blue curaçao, tropical schnapps, and soda) if it gets shoved down the bar at a speed. LOL
 
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