What is driving the current “anti alcohol” rhetoric online

Zellephant said:
Yeah, they skip rehab and go straight to the renal dialysis unit - or the orthopeadic unit for amputations instead.

Or to the oncology unit for chemo.

Let’s not fool ourselves, if we want to talk about a substance being “nett negative to society”, there is no drug on earth that comes close to refined sugar
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Bro you're wound tight I think you need a drink to calm your nerves.
 
warrenpridgeon said:
Bro you're wound tight I think you need a drink to calm your nerves.
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I’m very chill, but you choosing sugar as an example just opened the door on that one.

The refined sugar industry has a hell of a lot more questions hanging over its head than the liquor industry does when it comes to causing harm, on a cellular level, to humanity.
 
Zellephant said:
I’m very chill, but you choosing sugar as an example just opened the door on that one.

The refined sugar industry has a hell of a lot more questions hanging over its head than the liquor industry does when it comes to causing harm, on a cellular level, to humanity.
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And... do you see me fighting you and saying "it doesn't have issues... it's healthy"? Nope.
It definitely has issues, it can lead to obesity and more.

And funny... many people are also moving towards controlling or stopping processed sugar intake.
 
Zellephant said:
You literally tried to make it sound like sugar isn’t as bad because people dont end up in rehab. I merely suggested where they end up is worse
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This is a false equivalence

From ChatGPT

Saying that sugar is “worse than alcohol” compares only their possible long-term health effects and ignores the harm caused to other people.

Excessive sugar consumption mainly harms the health of the person consuming it. It can contribute to obesity, diabetes and other illnesses, but eating too much sugar does not intoxicate someone, impair their judgement or make them unsafe to drive.

Alcohol can harm the drinker, but its effects regularly extend to innocent people through drunk-driving crashes, domestic violence, assault, neglect and alcohol-related behaviour. A person can choose not to consume alcohol and still be injured or killed because somebody else did.

So even if both can be unhealthy when consumed excessively, their wider social consequences are not comparable. Sugar does not cause intoxication; alcohol does.
 
Suspect99 said:
This is a false equivalence

From ChatGPT

Saying that sugar is “worse than alcohol” compares only their possible long-term health effects and ignores the harm caused to other people.

Excessive sugar consumption mainly harms the health of the person consuming it. It can contribute to obesity, diabetes and other illnesses, but eating too much sugar does not intoxicate someone, impair their judgement or make them unsafe to drive.

Alcohol can harm the drinker, but its effects regularly extend to innocent people through drunk-driving crashes, domestic violence, assault, neglect and alcohol-related behaviour. A person can choose not to consume alcohol and still be injured or killed because somebody else did.

So even if both can be unhealthy when consumed excessively, their wider social consequences are not comparable. Sugar does not cause intoxication; alcohol does.
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Jesus - you know you lost the plot when you need to spin up a llm to help you think and reply…
 
Alcohol is not bad for you if you not stupid with it. In actual fact its cardio protective if you use it correctly.

If you an idiot then its the worlds most dangerous substance
 
My company has over 50% of the employees between 20-30 years old. I am pretty pretty shocked but these okes don't drink, they would rather go watch a Spiderman movie. Even if there is a company party with free drinks they have soft drink. Seems like the youngsters just don't care much for drinking.

When I was in my 20s, I’d drink pretty much anything, and if it was free, even better. Then I grew up and started drinking more occasionally until now where I barely drink. These days, I only drink things I actually enjoy which, tend to be more expensive. My yearly intake is probably what I would do in weekend.

If I drink beer it's devils peak Kings block house, I have a few class whiskeys like tullamore dew, glen fiddich, glen morangie and some lekker wines. My yearly intake is probably a case of beer, half a bottle of whiskey and 3 bottles of wine.

I get it though I could always control my alcohol but my sister's ex husband is a full blown alcoholic first then a drug addict second he is so fried he can barely speak and all he cares about is his next drink/substance.

I am kinda on the fence and can swing from very negative to somewhat positive.
 
warrenpridgeon said:
nee moer... I'm out.
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Is the renal dialysis ward being the only thing that can keep you alive better or worse than rehab?

It’s a simple question, and you opened the door to it.

Overconsumption of alcohol can end you up in rehab, overconsumption of sugar will give you diabetes.
 
Zellephant said:
Is the renal dialysis ward being the only thing that can keep you alive better or worse than rehab?

It’s a simple question, and you opened the door to it.

Overconsumption of alcohol can end you up in rehab, overconsumption of sugar will give you diabetes.
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Brother you clearly have some huge desire to prove booze "ok". I'm out. Enjoy your booze.
 
In My Opinion (general terms and conditions apply)…

Go on crusades against this or that. Froth at the mouth or become a martyr.

What matters to me is how I affect those closest to me. Closest first, diminishing in importance by the square of the radius.

We all die. All we get is the ability to choose how.
 
warrenpridgeon said:
Brother you clearly have some huge desire to prove booze "ok". I'm out. Enjoy your booze.
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You clearly seem to keep missing the point of this entire thread. I am not trying to prove anything. I am just making the case for the positive side of an industry that supports at least 270 000 jobs in South Africa alone, and directly contributes at least R56B to the local economy each year, with an estimated multiplier effect of at least 1.57 according to the latest available data. (and this is all just for the wine industry, I dont have the info for the breweries, which will be similar).

I dont need to prove booze is okay - the numbers speak for themselves. The counter argument yourself and others keep making constantly jumps onto the "but some people can't control themselves, which makes it bad" train. That is all good and well, and I dont think I, or anyone who is making the "pro booze" argument here, has tried to deny or reduce the seriousness of the abuse issue. But the potential for abuse doesn't explain why everyday folk, who aren't prone to addiction, are suddenly shunning something as culturally and socially important, while simultaneously embracing other equally or similarly harmful habits.

But you specifically claimed that sugar isn't as bad because people do not end up in rehab from sugar overindulgence, and then you refused to defend that statement.
 
Suspect99 said:
Sorry I don't have time to argue with drunk people. He probably wont read it
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I did read it, but it doesnt justify a response
Zellephant said:
Is the renal dialysis ward being the only thing that can keep you alive better or worse than rehab?

It’s a simple question, and you opened the door to it.

Overconsumption of alcohol can end you up in rehab, overconsumption of sugar will give you diabetes.
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@warrenpridgeon a simple yes or no answer will suffice.
 
dabean said:
We all die. All we get is the ability to choose how.
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This is so true, and it’s something I’ve been thinking about when I look at the last 10 to 20 years of my life. I still want to have a good quality of life as I get older. Too many people end up with chronic diseases in the latter part of their lives and need to take a handful of pills every day. Making healthier choices today can help prevent me from going down the same path.
 
RiaX said:
Alcohol is not bad for you if you not stupid with it. In actual fact its cardio protective if you use it correctly.

If you an idiot then its the worlds most dangerous substance
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You don't have to be the stupid one to have your life upended or even ruined because of alcohol.

I'm responsible and have one drink with dinner. On the way home, someone who has just left a bar after 10 drinks skips a red light and t-bones me.

You don't drink, but your partner does. You come home, they are drunk and start physically/emotionally abusing you.

Like I said in my first post on the topic, living with someone in active alcohol addiction changed the way I saw things. When you're lying in bed, heart pounding, because they in a rage in another room and you are waiting for something to break or for them to come and look for you because you are their preferred emotional punching bag. When you wake up in the morning and have to navigate a destroyed living room to try and get out the door, come and have a chat and tell me what you think of the 'ol drink. Yes, there are very clearly other factors at play, but there is no denying alcohol unlocks, amplifies and worsens what is already there and it is easily accessible and socially accepted.
 
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